Mrs Fenn and that crying child incident revisited.

[carlymichelle]

And we can be sure that was Madeleine who cried?
How exactly this can be established?

she asked gerry and kate why  didnt   they come when  she and sean cried

[VIXTE]

she asked gerry and kate why  didnt   they come when  she and sean cried

And this is a proof? Kate also said that Amelie cried.... so we cannot really establish for true it was Madeleine who Mr Fenn heard.

[Brietta]

she asked gerry and kate why  didnt   they come when  she and sean cried

Then we only have Dr Kate McCann's word for that, do we not?  Why should you believe her?  You most certainly chose to disbelieve every other word that comes out of her mouth.

If I were you I would think about an open window and raised shutters and wonder why one statement has credence and the other, in your opinion, has none.

[Martina]

Then we only have Dr Kate McCann's word for that, do we not?  Why should you believe her?  You most certainly chose to disbelieve every other word that comes out of her mouth.

If I were you I would think about an open window and raised shutters and wonder why one statement has credence and the other, in your opinion, has none.

Weird argument in the mouth of a person, who believes Kate McCann speaks only the pure truth. So what, you suggest now that Kate lied about Maddie crying?

[VIXTE]

Weird argument in the mouth of a person, who believes Kate McCann speaks only the pure truth. So what, you suggest now that Kate lied about Maddie crying?

Kate did not say that Madeleine cried. She said that Madeleine told them she cried.
Kate said that Amelie cried.

[Eleanor]

Weird argument in the mouth of a person, who believes Kate McCann speaks only the pure truth. So what, you suggest now that Kate lied about Maddie crying?

God, this is tedious.

Kate only had Madeleine's word for it.  She didn't even know when Madeleine was supposed to have been crying.  And it was two of them according to Madeleine.  Mrs. Fenn only mentions one child crying.

[carlymichelle]

Kate did not say that Madeleine cried. She said that Madeleine told them she cried.
Kate said that Amelie cried.

so you are saying maddie lied about crying even though mrs fenn heard her??

[Martina]

God, this is tedious.

Kate only had Madeleine's word for it.  She didn't even know when Madeleine was supposed to have been crying.  And it was two of them according to Madeleine.  Mrs. Fenn only mentions one child crying.

So now you are suggesting that Maddie lied about crying the previous night? Why would she?

[Eleanor]

So now you are suggesting that Maddie lied about crying the previous night? Why would she?

She could have been crying in the middle of the night while Kate and Gerry were asleep, for all we know.

Mrs. Fenn only heard one child.

[VIXTE]

So now you are suggesting that Maddie lied about crying the previous night? Why would she?

I am saying we don't know if Madeleine cried, how long she cried and if it was Madeleine that Mrs Fenn heard and we are not in a position to ever establish who Mrs Fenn heard.

Also, according to Kate, Madeleine said 'when Sean and I cried'

[carlymichelle]

So now you are suggesting that Maddie lied about crying the previous night? Why would she?

the two of them are accusing maddie of lying how   sad 

[Brietta]

Weird argument in the mouth of a person, who believes Kate McCann speaks only the pure truth. So what, you suggest now that Kate lied about Maddie crying?

Not an argument and nothing weird about it.

It is for the posters who disbelieve every word Dr McCann utters to ponder.
If they can justify the dichotomy ... why don't they.

[Martina]

Not an argument and nothing weird about it.

It is for the posters who disbelieve every word Dr McCann utters to ponder.
If they can justify the dichotomy ... why don't they.

I haven't seen here even one person that would claim Kate lies all the time. Not even one, Brietta. So your argument is pretty much invalid.

[pegasus]

Heard her from the other side of town where she was visiting her friend to get away from the previous nights howling.  All makes perfect sense.

To clarify.  Mrs Fenn was at home Tue night and out visiting on the Wed night.  Ergo she had to have heard the crying child on the Tue night.

"naquela noite ligou a uma amiga" (page 2143)
"that night she telephoned a friend" (my translation)

Which translation are you using?

[Benice]

she asked gerry and kate why  didnt   they come when  she and sean cried

But Mrs Fenn only heard ONE child crying not two.

Rachael Oldfied who was in the adjoining apartment stayed in on the night of the 2nd - so she would have heard any sustained crying from next door if it happened.