Mrs Fenn and that crying child incident revisited.

[Anna]

Listen to the audio, what Mrs F actually says is - the claim that she had spoken to journalists is rubbish.
The text of the presumably spoonfed Mail article changes the actual word "journalists" to the fabricated word "police".

She didn't speak to any journalist, so who could have informed them of what was in her statement?

[pegasus]

...early night...

Wed was the only late night.

[ferryman]

Mrs Fenn knew about the crying

Very poor (il)logic.

The McCanns cannot have had the first clue what Mrs Fenn (eventually interviewed, months after the crime) would say in her statement.

[Brietta]

Very poor (il)logic.

The McCanns cannot have had the first clue what Mrs Fenn (eventually interviewed, months after the crime) would say in her statement.

Mrs Fenn’s statement was quite remarkably only taken on August 20th 2007 … IMO far too long gap between the events of the week of the McCann holiday when it is considered the lady was resident immediately above their holiday accommodation and was at home during the time in question.

[ferryman]

Please watch and listen to Mrs Fenn making a very definitive statement ... "IT'S ALL RUBBISH".
No Chinese whispers there.


Last night the McCanns got a boost when the police case appeared to be undermined by a pensioner who is potentially a key witness.
Pamela Fenn, 81, lives above the apartment where Madeleine disappeared and is reported to have told police she heard Madeleine screaming below.
But yesterday she broke her silence to say it was "absolute rubbish" she had made any such claims to police. Mrs Fenn said: "I didn't even know that family was in there."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFHbkbBh5BM

For a long time that had me completely convinced that there was something fundamentally awry with the statement of Mrs Fenns' we read on line.

But there were a couple of points I missed.  First is that Mrs Fenn was interviewed by Joao Carlos, definitely one of the more honest PJ officers, (briefly) misled by the antics of Grime and his dogs, but who atoned with a (genuinely fine!) final PJ report.

The other thing is that there is this You-tube video of some hairdresser-type blabbing about what Mrs Fenn had said.

Piecing it together, I (now) think Mrs Fenn blabbed to hairdresser-type, hairdresser-type blabbed to the rest of the world (probably for a fee!) and Mrs Fenn, horrified and realising the (potential) implications of breaching Portuguese secrecy, denied everything when the press piled up outside her door.

[sadie]

Very poor (il)logic.

The McCanns cannot have had the first clue what Mrs Fenn (eventually interviewed, months after the crime) would say in her statement.

They wouldn't even know if she was at home, asleep or what?

[pegasus]

Very poor (il)logic.

The McCanns cannot have had the first clue what Mrs Fenn (eventually interviewed, months after the crime) would say in her statement.

Anyone competent at media monitoring would have known about it long before October.
Various people in PDL knew about the crying from the beginning, and completely dumbfounded by how it could happen, posted about it.

[ferryman]

Anyone competent at media monitoring would have known about it long before October.
Various people in PDL knew about the crying from the beginning, and completely dumbfounded by how it could happen, posted about it.

The McCanns shared the information about Madeleine crying way before press rumours about Madeleine crying.

[sadie]

Anyone competent at media monitoring would have known about it long before october.

But it is all too long, especially for an old woman to remember precise details.

[pegasus]

But it is all too long, especially for an old woman to remember precise details.

75 is a difficult number to forget

[Holly Goodhead]

But it is all too long, especially for an old woman to remember precise details.

But PF phoned her friend Edna Glyn to discuss the crying so may well have had a strong reference point in terms of looking up the phone bill.  In the absence of such I don't think it would be difficult to remember that a child who she believes she heard crying for some 1.25 hours then disappeared off the face of the earth 2 evenings later from an apartment directly below hers.  Also her niece visited on 3rd May and took PF to lunch at her favourite fish restaurant in nearby Lagos so another reason she may well have remembered the day/night in question.  Also on 1st May it was her nieces birthday so it may well have stuck in her mind that this was the night she heard MM crying.  I'm not old in the PF sense but personally I think its a bit disparaging to write off a witness on the basis of advanced years by inferring they can't remember precise details.  Some young people can't remember precise details eg T9 all of whom were in their 30's at the time.  PF's niece described her as "very astute".   

Some posts doubt Mrs Fenn on the basis that members of T9 were in apartments that night, 1st May, due to either themselves being unwell or their children who were attended to by their parents but I can't see any evidence of this?  Afaik on 1st May all the adults were at tapas from 8.30 pm until close of play?

[G-Unit]

But PF phoned her friend Edna Glyn to discuss the crying so may well have had a strong reference point in terms of looking up the phone bill.  In the absence of such I don't think it would be difficult to remember that a child who she believes she heard crying for some 1.25 hours then disappeared off the face of the earth 2 evenings later from an apartment directly below hers.  Also her niece visited on 3rd May and took PF to lunch at her favourite fish restaurant in nearby Lagos so another reason she may well have remembered the day/night in question.  Also on 1st May it was her nieces birthday so it may well have stuck in her mind that this was the night she heard MM crying.  I'm not old in the PF sense but personally I think its a bit disparaging to write off a witness on the basis of advanced years by inferring they can't remember precise details.  Some young people can't remember precise details eg T9 all of whom were in their 30's at the time.  PF's niece described her as "very astute".   

Some posts doubt Mrs Fenn on the basis that members of T9 were in apartments that night, 1st May, due to either themselves being unwell or their children who were attended to by their parents but I can't see any evidence of this?  Afaik on 1st May all the adults were at tapas from 8.30 pm until close of play?

It is alleged that Russell was absent from dinner on 1st, being at home with his sick child (again). It was the quiz night and the Aerobics instructor who ran the quiz was invited to the group's table where she stayed from 21:30 to 21:50. She said there was an empty place at the table; someone 'who had had dinner and left'. Of course there could have been two empty places. Unless she took her own chair she was sitting in one of the 9 chairs already there. She was shown photos, but was unable to identify the missing person(s).

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/NAJOUA_CHEKAYA.htm

[Holly Goodhead]

It is alleged that Russell was absent from dinner on 1st, being at home with his sick child (again). It was the quiz night and the Aerobics instructor who ran the quiz was invited to the group's table where she stayed from 21:30 to 21:50. She said there was an empty place at the table; someone 'who had had dinner and left'. Of course there could have been two empty places. Unless she took her own chair she was sitting in one of the 9 chairs already there. She was shown photos, but was unable to identify the missing person(s).

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/NAJOUA_CHEKAYA.htm

ROB/JT were diagonal to PF and one apartment removed so unlikely PF heard either of the OB girls. 

Does ROB or any of the others make ref to his absence on 1st May? 

[Mr Gray]

ROB/JT were diagonal to PF and one apartment removed so unlikely PF heard either of the OB girls. 

Does ROB or any of the others make ref to his absence on 1st May?

Mrs Fenn may be an independent witness but we don't know how reliable her evidence is

[The General]

Mrs Fenn may be an independent witness but we don't know how reliable her evidence is

You could say that about most independent witnesses, even experts.