Mobile Phone Traffic 9:45pm to 10:15pm.

[sadie]

Statistically, historically there is a great likelyhood that one man, a paedophile, would take a child
However Stastics are but indicators of likelyhood; they are not cast in stone.

If this were a burglary gone wrong, then a gang might be operating

If this were a commisioned abduction, then also a gang might be operating
And SY believe that this gang might be involved, or have knowledge of some sort.  SY must have reasons for wanting to question them.


With so much publicity, they must know that there is interest in them.   If innocent, the question in my mind is, why haven't they come forward, to clear themselves and to further the search ?

Or maybe they have and we dont know about it?

I should add that either way, commissioned abducting gang, or loner burglary gone wrong, there likely would be phone activity.  In the first case amongst themselves ... or to the man who commissioned them (and aboard a yacht?/ boat nearby).  In the second case to seek help or even to find someone who would buy his valuable commodity .... a pretty blonde little girl


Only my opinion ... and quite possibly incorrect, but worth considering

[stephen25000]

I should add that either way, commissioned abducting gang, or loner burglary gone wrong, there likely would be phone activity.  In the first case amongst themselves ... or to the man who commissioned them (and aboard a yacht?/ boat nearby).  In the second case to seek help or even to find someone who would buy his valuable commodity .... a pretty blonde little girl


Only my opinion ... and quite possibly incorrect, but worth considering

There would also be phone activity because of the events and police activity.

Meanwhile what about Madeleine's younger sister ?

Why wouldn't an abductor take her instead ?

Now that is a question frequently answered with waffle.

[stephen25000]

And GMs words are one of the reasons that i think this is likely to have been a commissioned abduction, rather than a burglary gone wrong, Stephen

I understand your point about burglars not wanting to come forward in case they were fitted.  Seems a fair bit of that went on in PT ....

Allegedly, of course people are 'fitted up' fop crimes around the world.

It isn't just one country. Allegedly, of course.

[Angelo222]

How did abductorman manage to use his mobile phone while balancing Madeleine in his arms at the same time?   Should we be calling him  multitaskerman ??   8-)(--)

[VIXTE]

How did abductorman manage to use his mobile phone while balancing Madeleine in his arms at the same time?   Should we be calling him  multitaskerman ??   8-)(--)

Using mobile is not the same as having a mobile in his pocket in PDL.. which also can be traced..

Plus he could have used the mob prior to the abduction... or after..

[Estuarine]

And so speaks the expert on unpleasantness!   What's really silly is accepting that there was an abduction based on nothing more than an open shutter/window and some fluttering curtains.

Agreed. The McCanns arrived 28th April and the snatch is 3rd May. 4 days to plan and execute and not knowing which apartment the girl will be in until late 28th early 29th April. IMO the proposition of a planned snatch is too far fetched.

[sadie]

And so speaks the expert on unpleasantness!   What's really silly is accepting that there was an abduction based on nothing more than an open shutter/window and some fluttering curtains.

Seems you haven't bothered to read the statements and take on board what a large number of people are saying.  You may come from a world where every other person is a liar, but most of us dont.  To believe that so many people are ALL telling lies, just gobsmacks me ... and will most rational people from normal backgrounds.

[sadie]

Agreed. The McCanns arrived 28th April and the snatch is 3rd May. 4 days to plan and execute and not knowing which apartment the girl will be in until late 28th early 29th April. IMO the proposition of a planned snatch is too far fetched.

Your maths is a bit askew, Estu.  April has 30 days, NOT 28.  So over 5 days to plan before the abduction.  The actual abduction took a matter of a minute, in and out, and 30 seconds, maybe less?  to Jane Tanner corner.

There are several witnesses to the fact that 5A was being well watched in the days preceding the abduction. 

I would have thought that 5 days would have been ample time to plan it.

[sadie]

There would also be phone activity because of the events and police activity.

Meanwhile what about Madeleine's younger sister ?

Why wouldn't an abductor take her instead ?

Now that is a question frequently answered with waffle.

Have you thought that maybe, Madeleine was selected?  She was chosen?  Now was it at Sagres beach that a man, a stranger was taking photographs?

[sadie]

To bring the tread back on track:

I did trace a few of the numbers but unfortunately lost the detailed notes in a computercrash but IIRC:
1. There are no T9 numbers here.
2. IIRC at least one UK employee to UK employee item here (some UK employees have Portuguese SIM cards).
3. Re the 4 minute call beginning at 21:52 IIRC it was possible to trace one of the numbers (for 2008 anyway).
4. Re txts at 22:07 22:09 22:10 IIRC possible to trace one number.
IMO all innocent people, just thought people might like to see the type of records SY are now reexamining.

[Eleanor]

Agreed. The McCanns arrived 28th April and the snatch is 3rd May. 4 days to plan and execute and not knowing which apartment the girl will be in until late 28th early 29th April. IMO the proposition of a planned snatch is too far fetched.

It was five days, incidentally.  And it could have been the appartment under surveillance just waiting for a suitable child.

5A was by far the easiest appartment to break into, and there was bound to be a child who fitted the bill eventually.  The parents being at home won't have put them off.  And if they lived and worked around PdL then waiting won't have been a problem
Amelie simply wasn't suitable if the abductors didn't want to be changing nappies or possibly spoon feeding.

[Estuarine]

Your maths is a bit askew, Estu.  April has 30 days, NOT 28.  So over 5 days to plan before the abduction.  The actual abduction took a matter of a minute, in and out, and 30 seconds, maybe less?  to Jane Tanner corner.

There are several witnesses to the fact that 5A was being well watched in the days preceding the abduction. 

I would have thought that 5 days would have been ample time to plan it.

OK have it your way it was a planned snatch . I choose to believe otherwise. 

[Lyall]

>@@(*&) Not much has changed on your side of the house since May 2007. "Could", "chosen", "rational people", "normal backgrounds". It's still exactly the same rhetoric.

Just agree you don't know what happened?

[Estuarine]

It was five days, incidentally. And it could have been the appartment under surveillance just waiting for a suitable child.

5A was by far the easiest appartment to break into, and there was bound to be a child who fitted the bill eventually.  The parents being at home won't have put them off.  And if they lived and worked around PdL then waiting won't have been a problem
Amelie simply wasn't suitable if the abductors didn't want to be changing nappies or possibly spoon feeding.

And if a sewing machine had bigger wheels it would be a car.

[Eleanor]

And if a sewing machine had bigger wheels it would be a car.

Have The McCanns been arrested yet?  Or are you into Cover Up Theory?  That's a big IF if ever I saw one.