Did the PJ conduct a proper search for evidence at OC?

[Benice]

Why are certain people worries if they believe the mccanns are in the 'clear' ?

Why the need for repeated posts on the issue if there is nothing to worry about ?

LOL at the supreme irony of you of all people making that comment.   

[Wonderfulspam]

LOL at the supreme irony of you of all people making that comment.

Strange, I don't recall Stephen worrying very much about the apparent non suspect status of the McCanns.

He usually appears to be more concerned by their complete abscence of parenting skills prior to May the 4th.

 

[Mr Gray]

Redwood has never said that anyone was in the clear.  His repeated line is that they are not suspects or persons of interest.

that's because in  a legal sense there is no such thing as being cleared

[stephen25000]

Strange, I don't recall Stephen worrying very much about the apparent non suspect status of the McCanns.

He usually appears to be more concerned by their complete abscence of parenting skills prior to May the 4th.

Precisely the point, Wonderfulspam.

[VIXTE]

That might seem logical to us but in reality there have been cases where no motor transport was involved.

In this case, because we are talking about a village.. it is possible to establish the phone number who were in PDL all up to the night of the 3rd May and not later..

I.e. it is possible to technically establish which mobile phone numbers have left the area that night..

[Angelo222]

If I was a policeman and if I had the search dog the next day after the disappearance and the 4 dogs stopping at the same spot I would at least knock on the doors of the people living in the building next to that car park and ask what car they usually see there and if they had seen it that particular day.

To me that sounds natural.

And since that is across the road of the OC reception I would ask the reception workers which car they usually see parked there and if they saw any car parked there that day..

What gives you the idea that none of this was done?

[pathfinder73]

Is this the 'hiding in plain sight' idea, pegasus?

Because the Smith sighting was very close to the social area in PdL. Carrier had to walk across that road with several restaurants and bars, and probably walked near or past the little restaurant that VIXTE refers to (The Dolphin restaurant on Rua da Calheta, is that right, VIXTE?).

He was heading straight towards the church so if he went past that he was going towards the rocks. The ones Kate calls "My Rocks".



"Gerry and I were able to seek solace at Nossa Senhora da Luz. We then walked down to the rocks on the beach, with its crashing waves and sense of vastness and freedom - another place where I've always felt able to reach out to Madeleine and find a little solace."

[VIXTE]

What gives you the idea that none of this was done?

It is not in the files and it was never mentioned in the files..

[Angelo222]

It is not in the files and it was never mentioned in the files..

There will have been lots of events not documented in the files.  Are policemen's notebooks in the files?   The sad reality is that Madeleine could very well have been taken shortly after Gerry's last visit to the apartment and been a long way away by the time the first police searches were conducted hours later.  How far can a car travel in 3 hours?

[VIXTE]

There will have been lots of events not documented in the files.  Are policemen's notebooks in the files?   The sad reality is that Madeleine could very well have been taken shortly after Gerry's last visit to the apartment and been a long way away by the time the first police searches were conducted hours later.  How far can a car travel in 3 hours?

I am not sure what you are trying to say.. What I am saying is that the result could have been in front of their noses, if they just looked a bit deeper.  Like that parking place. All dogs stopping exactly there is significant.
The logical question is who parks there..Is it the OC worker, is it a person who lives in the building, and that is very easy to find out. Then it is easy to find out ( according to person's mobile phone) where that person was that night.Has he-she driven that car, has he-she driven outside of PDL? And once all of this is checked and solved then and person cleared that is where the line of inquiry stops. Not just assuming this or that.. like PJ in most cases did..

[Angelo222]

that's because in  a legal sense there is no such thing as being cleared

In reality its because he would look really stupid if they ended up as suspects again in Portugal after him saying they were cleared.   After the Dando/George fiasco Redwood isn't going to go down that particularly slippery road again and jeopardise his pension.

[jassi]

I am not sure what you are trying to say.. What I am saying is that the result could have been in front of their noses, if they just looked a bit deeper.  Like that parking place. All dogs stopping exactly there is significant.
The logical question is who parks there..Is it the OC worker, is it a person who lives in the building, and that is very easy to find out. Then it is easy to find out ( according to person's mobile phone) where that person was that night.Has he-she driven that car, has he-she driven outside of PDL? And once all of this is checked and solved then and person cleared that is where the line of inquiry stops. Not just assuming this or that.. like PJ in most cases did..

How can you be sure that all this hasn't already been done?

[Angelo222]

I am not sure what you are trying to say.. What I am saying is that the result could have been in front of their noses, if they just looked a bit deeper.  Like that parking place. All dogs stopping exactly there is significant.
The logical question is who parks there..Is it the OC worker, is it a person who lives in the building, and that is very easy to find out. Then it is easy to find out ( according to person's mobile phone) where that person was that night.Has he-she driven that car, has he-she driven outside of PDL? And once all of this is checked and solved then and person cleared that is where the line of inquiry stops. Not just assuming this or that.. like PJ in most cases did..

The car would have waited just along from where Tannerman was seen.  Sadie went into a bit of detail about this months back and together with John posted several photos of the area.  From there it was only a matter of minutes to the main road and safety.  Imo the Smiths sighting is nothing more than Irish mist.

There was a discussion last night about closing the borders.  That would have caused so much chaos to transport that heads would have rolled.  To do a proper search every single frontier road would have required a checkpoint with personnel searching every vehicle, an impossible task.  In any event, the Portuguese just didn't have the resources to undertake such a mammoth task or dare I say it, the will to do so.

Just imagine if they had closed down the frontier and then the girl turned up somewhere near Praia da Luz?

[VIXTE]

The car would have waited just along from where Tannerman was seen.  Sadie went into a bit of detail about this months back and together with John posted several photos of the area.  From there it was only a matter of minutes to the main road and safety.

That is your opinion but the dogs the day after the disappearance stopped in-next to that car park..IMO this is a big clue..
You don't make a theory and then fit the clues into a theory. You first look at a clue and then form a theory.

[Angelo222]

That is your opinion but the dogs the day after the disappearance stopped in-next to that car park..IMO this is a big clue..
You don't make a theory and then fit the clues into a theory. You first look at a clue and then form a theory.

Air scent only lasts a short while, minutes.  If Maddie was abducted she was carried out, her feet never touched the ground.  Simples!!

What the GNR dogs found was her trail part way to the junior club and to the supermercado.