Did the PJ conduct a proper search for evidence at OC?

[VIXTE]

There are also a number of ‘more obvious’ suspects who already appear in the Portuguese files but who British police feel haven’t been ‘bottomed out’ properly and therefore warrant further investigation.
“There are a lot of people who could be explored further, if only to be eliminated,” said Detective Chief Superintendent Hamish Campbell, head of Scotland Yard’s Homicide and Serious Crime Command.
But officers face having to tackle Portuguese resistance to re-opening the inquiry, after officials in Lisbon said they can reopen the case only if there is new evidence – although it has been claimed that the new leads could, if properly explored, result in new evidence and possibly solve the Madeleine mystery.
Detectives examining the Portuguese files were alarmed that the original inquiry had not traced and interviewed all the staff and holidaymakers who were at the Ocean Club when the three-year-old went missing.
Last year the Met said that it had identified 195 fresh leads that should have been investigated either by conducting further witness interviews, eliminating suspects or carrying out forensic tests that were missing from the 2007 inquiry.
Officers found unexplained gaps in the investigation timeline, with a complete lack of forensic examination of mobile phone activity in the area on the night Madeleine disappeared.
Mr Campbell said it was “perfectly probable” that information which could identify the suspect responsible for Madeleine’s disappearance was already in the Portuguese files, and reiterated a claim that she could still be alive.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/10066822/Police-hunt-six-British-cleaners-in-search-for-Madeleine-McCann.html

Here.. it is very clear from SY quote what was missing from the 2007th investigation

[John]

I could have sworn that Angelo said that the scent would disappear in minutes.  But now we have two days.

He is spot on, a carried child simply leaves an airborne scent which disperses within minutes.  A child walking will leave a scent which in certain circumstances will remain for several days unless it rains.

It is therefore to be expected that the GNR dogs scented Madeleine's trail as she walked to the kiddie club near the tapas bar with her siblings, to her own junior club above main reception and down to the central supermarket.  Where the scent disappears she was obviously lifted and carried.

The dogs would not find any scent where she was carried by an abductor and especially so if it was a breezy night.

[pathfinder73]

He is spot on, a carried child simply leaves an airborne scent which disperses within minutes.  A child walking will leave a scent which in certain circumstances will remain for several days unless it rains.

It is therefore to be expected that the GNR dogs scented Madeleine's trail as she walked to the kiddie club near the tapas bar with her siblings, to her own junior club above main reception and down to the central supermarket.  Where the scent disappears she was obviously lifted and carried.

The dogs would not find any scent where she was carried by an abductor and especially so if it was a breezy night.

Good post - there's nothing strange about the dogs following her usual route to the kids club where she passes through that G6 car park or to the supermarket. Gerry did say Kate and the kids went in the back patio entrance at 5.40 and only he the front way. Gerry did know about the dog tracking before he made that statement. Kate later said she went through the front way with Madeleine which corresponds with one of the dogs finding her trail at the entrance leading to the tapas bar. The McCann's don't miss a trick but ultimately mistakes occur.

[jassi]

Good post - there's nothing strange about the dogs following her usual route to the kids club where she passes through that G6 car park or to the supermarket. Gerry did say Kate and the kids went in the back patio entrance at 5.40 and only he the front way. Gerry did know about the dog tracking before he made that statement. Kate later said she went through the front way with Madeleine which corresponds with one of the dogs finding her trail at the entrance leading to the tapas bar. The McCann's don't miss a trick but ultimately mistakes occur.

I've noticed that. 

There's always an explanation, often retrofitted into the narrative, to explain whatever situation the McCanns happen to find themselves in. Uncanny that.

[AnneGuedes]

He is spot on, a carried child simply leaves an airborne scent which disperses within minutes.  A child walking will leave a scent which in certain circumstances will remain for several days unless it rains.

It is therefore to be expected that the GNR dogs scented Madeleine's trail as she walked to the kiddie club near the tapas bar with her siblings, to her own junior club above main reception and down to the central supermarket.  Where the scent disappears she was obviously lifted and carried.

The dogs would not find any scent where she was carried by an abductor and especially so if it was a breezy night.

Do you suppose she met someone near the lamp post who carried her from there ?
Imo the dogs stopped (one crossed the street again) near the lamp post because there were scents around and he was trying to discriminate. The first dog (4 hours after the disappearance) lost interest at the end of the alley path.
I wonder from where you say that a carried person doesn't leave a trail. Only if the person is inside a bag, a plastic one, because one leaves a scent trail thanks to all body cells. The best is of course to be barefoot. 

[colombosstogey]

Do you suppose she met someone near the lamp post who carried her from there ?
Imo the dogs stopped (one crossed the street again) near the lamp post because there were scents around and he was trying to discriminate. The first dog (4 hours after the disappearance) lost interest at the end of the alley path.
I wonder from where you say that a carried person doesn't leave a trail. Only if the person is inside a bag, a plastic one, because one leaves a scent trail thanks to all body cells. The best is of course to be barefoot.

I thought a carried child does leave scent....

I still think if she was taken she went willingly outside with the pretence of looking for mummy and daddy...and then carried to a car...

[AnneGuedes]

Good post - there's nothing strange about the dogs following her usual route to the kids club where she passes through that G6 car park or to the supermarket. Gerry did say Kate and the kids went in the back patio entrance at 5.40 and only he the front way. Gerry did know about the dog tracking before he made that statement. Kate later said she went through the front way with Madeleine which corresponds with one of the dogs finding her trail at the entrance leading to the tapas bar. The McCann's don't miss a trick but ultimately mistakes occur.

No dog followed Madeleine's route through the public carpark (the G6's carpark is on the other side of the building) nor to the supermarket. The dogs followed the route that Mr McCann said Madeleine (and the twins) took two mornings before, along the paved corridor and around the G5. He said he found them in a patio's bushes, the corridor in fact leads to quite a large patio with bushes (private property). Instead of going back, they headed to the alley path through that patio's gate.
After the tea, on the 3rd of May, they entered home through the patio-door, according to Mr McCann, or through the main door with the key according to Mrs McCann who was carrying Madeleine.
It seems they never agreed about the door they used. 

[Lace]

No dog followed Madeleine's route through the public carpark (the G6's carpark is on the other side of the building) nor to the supermarket. The dogs followed the route that Mr McCann said Madeleine (and the twins) took two mornings before, along the paved corridor and around the G5. He said he found them in a patio's bushes, the corridor in fact leads to quite a large patio with bushes (private property). Instead of going back, they headed to the alley path through that patio's gate.
After the tea, on the 3rd of May, they entered home through the patio-door, according to Mr McCann, or through the main door with the key according to Mrs McCann who was carrying Madeleine.
It seems they never agreed about the door they used. 

Well if they were returning home Anne,   Gerry would have had to in through the main door in order to open the Patio doors,   so Gerry went to the front door,  Kate to the Patio doors.

[AnneGuedes]

I thought a carried child does leave scent....

I still think if she was taken she went willingly outside with the pretence of looking for mummy and daddy...and then carried to a car...

I can imagine her leaving the flat through the (main) door, looking for Mum and Dad (the corridor has permanent lights), I can't imagine her crossing the dark carpark that scared Mrs Oldfield, but I can imagine her doing the route she had explored two mornings before. However the last patio is dark and so is the alley path, I can't imagine she would have gone further than that, unless being hunted.

[pathfinder73]

No dog followed Madeleine's route through the public carpark (the G6's carpark is on the other side of the building) nor to the supermarket. The dogs followed the route that Mr McCann said Madeleine (and the twins) took two mornings before, along the paved corridor and around the G5. He said he found them in a patio's bushes, the corridor in fact leads to quite a large patio with bushes (private property). Instead of going back, they headed to the alley path through that patio's gate.
After the tea, on the 3rd of May, they entered home through the patio-door, according to Mr McCann, or through the main door with the key according to Mrs McCann who was carrying Madeleine.
It seems they never agreed about the door they used. 

One dog crossed the road from the car park and went to the entrance that leads to the tapas bar and was sniffing there. It was locked so they never entered. This I think was Madeleine's 5.30-40 scent when leaving the tapas bar with Kate and going back to 5A. Probably path route IMO as Kate later said in her interview. It does bring into question whether Madeleine was in fact walking when leaving the tapas bar and not being carried. You would carry someone if you wanted to make out that they were dead tired - Kate's explanation for the routine change. Kate must have been tired herself after that run and still in her running gear. You would think she would want to shower straight away and get out of those sweaty clothes when returning to 5A? Any independent witnesses see her being carried?

[AnneGuedes]

Well if they were returning home Anne,   Gerry would have had to in through the main door in order to open the Patio doors,   so Gerry went to the front door,  Kate to the Patio doors.

Logically, yes, moreover because Mrs McCann was carrying Madeleine. That's exactly what Mr McCann says he did (entering through the north door to open the south door for the rest of the family), but Mrs McCann says all the family entered through the north door with the key.

[AnneGuedes]

One dog crossed the road from the car park and went to the entrance that leads to the tapas bar and was sniffing there. It was locked so they never entered. This I think was Madeleine's 5.30-40 scent when leaving the tapas bar with Kate and going back to 5A.

Only one dog and the best for sure. This indicates the trail was weak. But the dogs don't go backwards, always from the oldest towards the freshest. Crossing from the public carpark towards the Tapas reception was the route from the creche at 17pm.

[pathfinder73]

Only one dog and the best for sure. This indicates the trail was weak. But the dogs don't go backwards, always from the oldest towards the freshest. Crossing from the public carpark towards the Tapas reception was the route from the creche at 17pm.

Yes well that brings into question why they never started from the tapas bar - the start of the last known outdoor route Madeleine took back to 5A. I'm not sure how it works but if I came in the house through the front door and was found dead inside and they wanted to find my last outdoor route? How do they do it? Wouldn't they track my scent from the door and follow it backwards? They can't do that?

[AnneGuedes]

Any independent witnesses see her being carried?

No, the tiredness and carrying "occurred" in September and only Mrs McCann mentions it. It doesn't match the sending of Mr Payne to help Mrs McCann with the kids to the playground.

[AnneGuedes]

Yes well that brings into question why they never started from the tapas bar - the start of the last known outdoor route Madeleine took back to 5A. I'm not sure how it works but if I came in the house through the front door and was found dead inside and they wanted to find my last outdoor route? How do they do it? Wouldn't they track my scent from the door and follow it backwards? They can't do that?

What they could have done, if they had doubted the McCann narrative on time (remember they looked for an alive Madeleine), was launching the dog from the area where the kids had tea, leaving both doors of the reception open.