The dogs.....

[Cariad]

You have shown what you understand...there is no way anyone can be sure that eddie is always correct

We'll see.

[pathfinder73]

Eddie didn't alert there until CC was put in the cupboard.

[pegasus]

What did he alert to on the chair?

Yes IMO there are two seperate periods of barking in the villa "sala da estar" footage, the second near a dining chair but the dining table blocks our view.

[Brietta]

Eddie didn't alert there until CC was put in the cupboard.

How do we know this?

We did not see CC being secreted in the cupboard.

We saw Eddie barking at something on top.

The cupboard door was not opened to reveal CC when Eddie barked at whatever.

The camera followed Mr Grime and Eddie into other rooms ... on their return ... Mr Grime opened the cupboard door and produced CC.

IMO these videos could never be evidential ... they seem to have a private individual's copyright on them ... and have been heavily edited.

[Silkywhiskers]

How do we know this?

We did not see CC being secreted in the cupboard.

We saw Eddie barking at something on top.

The cupboard door was not opened to reveal CC when Eddie barked at whatever.

The camera followed Mr Grime and Eddie into other rooms ... on their return ... Mr Grime opened the cupboard door and produced CC.

IMO these videos could never be evidential ... they seem to have a private individual's copyright on them ... and have been heavily edited.

Yes, they have been heavily edited.

People who can pronounce exactly what the dogs are indicating, are Grime and essentially no one else.

That is why the handler/dog relationship is so important.

Regardless of your opinions of the dogs, Grime, whatever, the fact is that SY are digging up PDL.

They are looking for Madeleine's dead body.

Which confirms the work of the dogs IMO, so why is everyone still denigrating them?

The evidence has not changed.  The evidence says Madeleine died in 5a, it always has.

[pegasus]

You won't see me dissing Eddie, I am claiming (and I seem to be the only one) is that he was 100% consistent.

[pegasus]

I think Mr Grime is very expert with in my amateur and probably wrong opinion a single misinterpretation .
IMO what Eddie indicated in villa lounge was not the cat.
It has huge implications for working out the sequence on evening May 3rd.
If you insist the cat was signalled in August, then you presumably have to claim staging before or during the last check?
(IMO the cat stayed on the bed, was not staged, and was not signalled in August, which is consistent at least).

[pegasus]

What I do not understand is why there was no excavation of the flowerbed in early august 2007.
Must be the only case ever where an EVR dog has signalled a patch of ground and police have said "oh let's not bother digging there" ?

[Carew]

What I do not understand is why there was no excavation of the flowerbed in early august 2007.
Must be the only case ever where an EVR dog has signalled a patch of ground and police have said "oh let's not bother digging there" ?

Might there have been no indication that the ground had been disturbed within the timeframe of the disappearance?

Would something like that be fairly obvious, leading to the more likely possibility of surface contamination by contact of some sort?

[ferryman]

Might there have been no indication that the ground had been disturbed within the timeframe of the disappearance?

Would something like that be fairly obvious, leading to the more likely possibility of surface contamination by contact of some sort?

Is it recorded anywhere that Martin Grime recommended excavation of the flower bed?

[DCI]

Is it recorded anywhere that Martin Grime recommended excavation of the flower bed?

Yes it is. But only 3 months too late, and after how many dogs had trampled and probably peed in it.

[Carew]

It is also possible that it had been contaminated by a cadaver or items which had been in contact with one.

[Wonderfulspam]

It is also possible that it had been contaminated by a cadaver or items which had been in contact with one.

"The explanation requiring the fewest assumptions is most likely to be correct.".

[Brietta]

I think it quite probable that the gardeners who pruned the bushes back peed there.  Out of general sight.

Or even the maintenance men who, IIRC, fixed the patio doors to the Mccann bedroom.  Can someone please confirm that I have the correct windows that were fixed please. 


Who were the maintenance men and the gardeners ..... any of the names mentioned?

En route to and from a few destinations ... dark secluded corner ... ideal place 'to go' if someone is caught short ...  and the GNR dogs ignored it in the days following Madeleine's abduction.

[Wonderfulspam]

I think it quite probable that the gardeners who pruned the bushes back peed there.  Out of general sight.

Or even the maintenance men who, IIRC, fixed the patio doors to the Mccann bedroom.  Can someone please confirm that I have the correct windows that were fixed please. 


Who were the maintenance men and the gardeners ..... any of the names mentioned?

Notice on the search video,  how when Eddie entered 5a, he immediately headed for the toilet bowl & started barking?

I didn't.