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Offline Serendipity

Re: The dogs.....
« Reply #60 on: March 22, 2014, 09:53:36 AM »
You are blinded by your own prejudice...the fact that grime uses the words "suggests" confirms he is not 100% sure

Suggest you go back and read my posts and it may just finally sink in.  I'm not repeating myself.  Your inability to comprehend is astounding. 

Anyway I'm off to have some brekkie. CYA laters davey :)

Offline Mr Gray

Re: The dogs.....
« Reply #61 on: March 22, 2014, 09:53:56 AM »
could you name one missing person...who is still missing that eddie has alerted to...you cannot

bump...you are avoiding the question

Offline Mr Gray

Re: The dogs.....
« Reply #62 on: March 22, 2014, 09:54:13 AM »
could you name one missing person...who is still missing that eddie has alerted to...you cannot

bump...you are avoiding the question

Offline jassi

Re: The dogs.....
« Reply #63 on: March 22, 2014, 09:54:43 AM »
you seem to be ignoring my questions...eddie found nothing in jersey...some baby teeth and some several hundred years old bones...a complete failure

Were human remains not what he was trained for?
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Mr Gray

Re: The dogs.....
« Reply #64 on: March 22, 2014, 09:55:54 AM »
Suggest you go back and read my posts and it may just finally sink in.  I'm not repeating myself.  Your inability to comprehend is astounding. 

Anyway I'm off to have some brekkie. CYA laters davey :)

Your inability to understand you have lost the argument is not astounding...

Offline Serendipity

Re: The dogs.....
« Reply #65 on: March 22, 2014, 09:56:08 AM »
you seem to be ignoring my questions...eddie found nothing in jersey...some baby teeth and some several hundred years old bones...a complete failure

Doh alerting to bones and teeth is part of what he was trained to do so how does that make him a complete failure.  This is getting laughable now lolol

CYA laters sweetie :)

Offline Mr Gray

Re: The dogs.....
« Reply #66 on: March 22, 2014, 09:59:07 AM »
could you name one missing person...who is still missing that eddie has alerted to...you cannot

bump...you are having to ignore this post because it shows you do not understand the alerts as described by Grime

Offline Eleanor

Re: The dogs.....
« Reply #67 on: March 22, 2014, 10:01:01 AM »
Doh alerting to bones and teeth is part of what he was trained to do so how does that make him a complete failure.  This is getting laughable now lolol

CYA laters sweetie :)

Teeth, eh.  In situe , or just the scent from where teeth were previously?

Offline jassi

Re: The dogs.....
« Reply #68 on: March 22, 2014, 10:04:38 AM »
Teeth, eh.  In situe , or just the scent from where teeth were previously?

Does it matter? The purpose of the dog is to indicate the presence of human remains - It is for humans to determine their significance.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Benice

Re: The dogs.....
« Reply #69 on: March 22, 2014, 10:10:38 AM »
Do you actually understand what his remit iwas?  Clearly not.  Eddie was charged with locating bodies, body parts or scent of where a body may have lain/been in contact with. He was trained using whole and disintegrated material, blood, bone, tissue, and TEETH. It is up to police to then ascertain whether any teeth he found did or did not come from a dead body.
Major fail on your part there Benice, please try harder.

You didn't answer my question.     Do you think that over 30/40 milk teeth recovered -  all came from the dead bodies of murdered children (and are dismissing the likelihood that they were lost in the normal way) - on the grounds that Eddie alerted to them?

There were over 60 teeth alerted to in all.  How many of them were forensically proved to have come from dead bodies?  As far as I know the answer is NIL.   That surely confirms Martin Grime's assertion that an alert by Eddie does not necessarily indicate the presence of a cadaver.

It is not beyond the realms of possibility that some of the owners of those milk teeth are still walking around today imo.

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Offline Eleanor

Re: The dogs.....
« Reply #70 on: March 22, 2014, 10:16:35 AM »
Does it matter? The purpose of the dog is to indicate the presence of human remains - It is for humans to determine their significance.

Teeth like Blood are shed by live people.  This is one more thing that Eddie could have been alerting to.  The smell of blood and bones lingers.  Does the smell of teeth?

Offline Mr Gray

Re: The dogs.....
« Reply #71 on: March 22, 2014, 10:25:12 AM »
You didn't answer my question.     Do you think that over 30/40 milk teeth recovered -  all came from the dead bodies of murdered children (and are dismissing the likelihood that they were lost in the normal way) - on the grounds that Eddie alerted to them?

There were over 60 teeth alerted to in all.  How many of them were forensically proved to have come from dead bodies?  As far as I know the answer is NIL.   That surely confirms Martin Grime's assertion that an alert by Eddie does not necessarily indicate the presence of a cadaver.

It is not beyond the realms of possibility that some of the owners of those milk teeth are still walking around today imo.

Its relatively easy to tell if a milk tooth was shed naturally...

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Re: The dogs.....
« Reply #72 on: March 22, 2014, 10:47:24 AM »
You are blinded by your own prejudice...the fact that grime uses the words "suggests" confirms he is not 100% sure

And you aren't?  >@@(*&)

Offline Anna

Re: The dogs.....
« Reply #73 on: March 22, 2014, 11:15:42 AM »
Why was there no dried blood traces found in any of the other Apartments, by the dogs? Since there was several incidents in 5A, surely there must have been bleeding incidents in the other apartments and yet no alerts in any of the three others except for what turned out to be food in one and a tennis ball in another, I believe (from memory)......... Strange?
« Last Edit: March 22, 2014, 11:22:56 AM by Anna »
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: The dogs.....
« Reply #74 on: March 22, 2014, 11:17:35 AM »
And you aren't?  >@@(*&)
not at all...I look at the evidence objectively.....
The most damning evidence would be the dogs if.......

they had never been wrong in 200 cases

If Grime confirmed that they were alerting to the previous presence of a cadaver

if there was scientific evidence to support them as there is with dna and fingerprints