The dogs.....

[Mr Gray]

Posters on here think redwood is closing in on the mccanns when the reality is that the cps have sent 200 letters of requests to several different countries...anyone who thinks the mcccanns are in the frame is deluded...imo

[Anna]

I am very happy to go on record as saying that dogs can be wrong.

Eddie was wrong, either to fail to alert to cuddle-cat when he could play with the toy; or to alert to it after it had been hidden in a cupboard.

Those inclined to try can't have it both ways ...

And why did Grime imply that the toy was sent for forensic analysis when it never was?

Is this it?

Based upon the dogs' behaviour, is it possible to distinguish between a strong signal and a weak signal?

The dogs' passive CSI alert provides an indication as per their training and does not vary. They only give an alert when they are 'positive' that the target of the odour is present and immediately accessible. If they had any doubts they would not give an alert. EVRD gives an alert by means of a vocal bark. The variations in the vocal alert can be explained by many reasons such as 'thirst' or 'lack of air due to effort'. Every alert can be subject to interpretation, it has to be confirmed. The signals of an alert are only just that. Once the alert has been given by the dog, it is up to the investigator/forensic scientist to locate, identify and scientifically provide the evidence of DNA, etc.

Can you confirm if the signal given regarding the stuffed toy corresponds to a concrete alert of detection of a cadaver, or a mere trick played by the dog?

The dogs were not taught any 'tricks'. EVRD 'signalled' the toy, which at my request was retained by the Judicial Police for future forensic analysis. I have no knowledge of the results of any forensic analysis on the toy.

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id161.html#aug5

[Mr Moderator]

If Eddie alerts and Keela doesn't then cadaver scent has been detected by the dogs.

That is untrue Slartibartfast.

You should have posted.  If Eddie alerts and Keela doesn't then cadaver scent may have been detected by Eddie.

[Benice]

She also quite clearly and in all probability is dead.

Can you grasp that and the FACT that no trace of her has been found in nearly seven years ?

You could say the same to Ben Needhams mum - except you would have to change the 7 years' to over 20 years.

Parents of missing children know there is a chance their child is dead, but until the are shown the evidence they never give up hope that their child will be found alive.

As a parent myself I don't find that at all difficult to grasp.

[pathfinder73]

You could say the same to Ben Needhams mum - except you would have to change the 7 years' to over 20 years.

Parents of missing children know there is a chance their child is dead, but until the are shown the evidence they never give up hope that their child will be found alive.

As a parent myself I don't find that at all difficult to grasp.

Kate said Madeleine disappeared 4 hours before the police arrived. She was working through the released files for 6 months day and night. Everything she says is important and every action in regards to Smithman is undeniable - you know that man who has never came forward to clear himself in 7 years. He disappeared that night just like Madeleine  >@@(*&)

[sadie]

Bit of a non argument really if you read the files.....

"Ok what was done was we deployed the victim recovery dog into the apartment and by experience and the training of the dog what I first noticed is that as soon as I came in that the dog was very excited and as a handler I can pick up his body language etc and it would appear to me that as soon as he has come into the house he's picked up a scent that he recognises and he has then gone through the apartment trying to source where that scent source has come from and as he has worked through the house the only two places where he picks up enough scent to give me the bark alert are in this bedroom, in this corner where he was barking."

The reason that he took longer was because of the dogs behaviour and not due to any bias that you would have us believe. The behaviour was clearly not repeated in the other apartments entered after 5a.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES.htm

Eta please feel free to apologise and amend 

Were there any KNOWN shaving accidents in the other apartments?

[Anna]

No problem. Just reread post 337(cite provided) for Grime's reason....based on his experience of course and not your biased opinion.

Ah Like this one

Based upon the dogs' behaviour, is it possible to distinguish between a strong signal and a weak signal?

The dogs' passive CSI alert provides an indication as per their training and does not vary. They only give an alert when they are 'positive' that the target of the odour is present and immediately accessible. If they had any doubts they would not give an alert. EVRD gives an alert by means of a vocal bark. The variations in the vocal alert can be explained by many reasons such as 'thirst' or 'lack of air due to effort'. Every alert can be subject to interpretation, it has to be confirmed. The signals of an alert are only just that. Once the alert has been given by the dog, it is up to the investigator/forensic scientist to locate, identify and scientifically provide the evidence of DNA, etc.

[Cariad]

Is this it?

Based upon the dogs' behaviour, is it possible to distinguish between a strong signal and a weak signal?

The dogs' passive CSI alert provides an indication as per their training and does not vary. They only give an alert when they are 'positive' that the target of the odour is present and immediately accessible. If they had any doubts they would not give an alert. EVRD gives an alert by means of a vocal bark. The variations in the vocal alert can be explained by many reasons such as 'thirst' or 'lack of air due to effort'. Every alert can be subject to interpretation, it has to be confirmed. The signals of an alert are only just that. Once the alert has been given by the dog, it is up to the investigator/forensic scientist to locate, identify and scientifically provide the evidence of DNA, etc.

Can you confirm if the signal given regarding the stuffed toy corresponds to a concrete alert of detection of a cadaver, or a mere trick played by the dog?

The dogs were not taught any 'tricks'. EVRD 'signalled' the toy, which at my request was retained by the Judicial Police for future forensic analysis. I have no knowledge of the results of any forensic analysis on the toy.

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id161.html#aug5

I believe that that is the quote that Ferryman is refering to, yes. However, I see no implication that it was sent off for analysis.

  I have no knowledge of the results of any forensic analysis on the toy.

He says that he requested that it be bagged and tagged and that he doesn't know what happened then. Where is he "implying that it was sent off"?

[Silkywhiskers]

I could watch videos of Eddie all day and still not have a clue what he was doing.

Obviously heading up to a car, sniffing, then exhibiting the alert pose, is fairly clear.

But who here can say that he DIDN'T alert to CC?  Are we all suddenly dog handlers?

No, I'll leave interpreting their work to the professionals...professionals who believed that M died in 5a.

First the Leicestershire Police (PC Grime) then the PJ and now SY - all saying the same thing.

She died in 5a.

BHH even suggests "murder".

CONSISTENT WITH THE INDICATIONS OF EDDIE.

[Cariad]

I could watch videos of Eddie all day and still not have a clue what he was doing.

Obviously heading up to a car, sniffing, then exhibiting the alert pose, is fairly clear.

But who here can say that he DIDN'T alert to CC?  Are we all suddenly dog handlers?

No, I'll leave interpreting their work to the professionals...professionals who believed that M died in 5a.

First the Leicestershire Police (PC Grime) then the PJ and now SY - all saying the same thing.

She died in 5a.

BHH even suggests "murder".

CONSISTENT WITH THE INDICATIONS OF EDDIE.

This is quite impressive, from a BBC programme called Inside the animal mind. From about 3 minutes in.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oUU4RCRzzc

[Mr Moderator]

I could watch videos of Eddie all day and still not have a clue what he was doing.

Obviously heading up to a car, sniffing, then exhibiting the alert pose, is fairly clear.

But who here can say that he DIDN'T alert to CC?  Are we all suddenly dog handlers?

No, I'll leave interpreting their work to the professionals...professionals who believed that M died in 5a.

First the Leicestershire Police (PC Grime) then the PJ and now SY - all saying the same thing.

She died in 5a.

BHH even suggests "murder".

CONSISTENT WITH THE INDICATIONS OF EDDIE.

Bottom line is Eddie sniffed something interesting which caused him to bark.  What it was we shall never know.

[Silkywhiskers]

Is this an appropriate moment to close the 11,000th "bash the dogs" thread?

[Eleanor]

This is quite impressive, from a BBC programme called Inside the animal mind. From about 3 minutes in.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oUU4RCRzzc

Right.  Fern, who is trained to detect corpses, detects a canister under water, containing Pork.  I shall say no more.

[colombosstogey]

having read the reports regarding the sniffer dogs it seems to me that the McCanns are acting in a quilty manner... contacting the 'Zapata' defence team and picking faults over the sniffer dogs reaction to the McCanns hire car.

LOL they used the wrong bloke as he confessed to killing his wife, and where the dogs indicated he had stored her body, or she had laid there until moved etc...so the dogs from USA got it right anyway.

It always comes back to the dogs lol....

[Mr Gray]

I could watch videos of Eddie all day and still not have a clue what he was doing.

Obviously heading up to a car, sniffing, then exhibiting the alert pose, is fairly clear.

But who here can say that he DIDN'T alert to CC?  Are we all suddenly dog handlers?

No, I'll leave interpreting their work to the professionals...professionals who believed that M died in 5a.

First the Leicestershire Police (PC Grime) then the PJ and now SY - all saying the same thing.

She died in 5a.

BHH even suggests "murder".

CONSISTENT WITH THE INDICATIONS OF EDDIE.

You are wronga gain..let me correct you..professionals believe that maddie MAY have died in 5a