The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.

[stephen25000]

Likely to be more authentic than anything stemming from a certain corrupt and disgraced Portuguese ex-"detective"

As per usual from you ferryman, pure crappola.

[Estuarine]

Reading the interviews all the comings and goings that night were a bit like a French farce.
It is easy to conjecture they were advised not to attend a reconstitution because their accounts of what occurred would be shown up to be improbable if not impossible.........then what?
Even the most biased of people would have to admit they were all over the oche.
But they all so obviously wanted to help with the investigation.

[Mr Gray]

Reading the interviews all the comings and goings that night were a bit like a French farce.
It is easy to conjecture they were advised not to attend a reconstitution because their accounts of what occurred would be shown up to be improbable if not impossible.........then what?
Even the most biased of people would have to admit they were all over the oche.
But they all so obviously wanted to help with the investigation.

That's just what your whole post is...conjecture...but to you it's the truth

The most obvious reason that the statements contained discrepancies are
1 Statements often do

2 The statements were translated and the tapas had no idea what they were signing

And the reason they were advised not to attend was that no none trusted the PJ


Those are my opinions....conjecture if you like

[icabodcrane]

I would imagine that the first thing the tapas friends would do,  on recieving the request to take part in a reconstruction, would be to  contact Kate and Gerry to ask what they  wanted them to do

I would imagine that they would ask,  "What do you want us to do  ? we are ready to do anything you need to get Madeleine back, and help clear your names" 

I just don't see them presenting obstacles to the police and  'taking legal advice'  without refering to the McCanns first

I would imagine,  therefore,  that the refusal to attend a reconstruction by the tapas friends was at the McCanns behest

[jassi]

I would imagine that the first thing the tapas friends would do,  on recieving the request to take part in a reconstruction, would be to  contact Kate and Gerry to ask what they  wanted them to do

I would imagine that they would ask,  "What do you want us to do  ? we are ready to do anything you need to get Madeleine back, and help clear your names" 

I just don't see them presenting obstacles to the police and  'taking legal advice'  without refering to the McCanns first

I would imagine,  therefore,  that the refusal to attend a reconstruction by the tapas friends was at the McCanns behest

I would imagine that to be very likely - perhaps agreed at the Rothley Towers get-together they held that year.

[Mr Gray]

I would imagine that the first thing the tapas friends would do,  on recieving the request to take part in a reconstruction, would be to  contact Kate and Gerry to ask what they  wanted them to do

I would imagine that they would ask,  "What do you want us to do  ? we are ready to do anything you need to get Madeleine back, and help clear your names" 

I just don't see them presenting obstacles to the police and  'taking legal advice'  without refering to the McCanns first

I would imagine,  therefore,  that the refusal to attend a reconstruction by the tapas friends was at the McCanns behest

You are entitled to "imagine" whatever you like

[peter claridge]

That's just what your whole post is...conjecture...but to you it's the truth

The most obvious reason that the statements contained discrepancies are
1 Statements often do

2 The statements were translated and the tapas had no idea what they were signing

And the reason they were advised not to attend was that no none trusted the PJ


Those are my opinions....conjecture if you like

It's actually because they are lies (apart from Dianne Webster pre rogs), mind you to be fair they didn't have a lot of time to fabricate them after the Smith sighting!

[Mr Gray]

perhaps the lawyers for the mccannns and tapas saw what the evidence the ciprianos were convicted on and decide that the Portuguese justice system wasn't fit for purpose

[icabodcrane]

If the McCanns and their chums had been entirely truthful when giving their version of events that night then I do not see what they had to fear in agreeing to a reconstruction

Indeed,  I would think they should have welcomed it,   given that if they  had  been entirely truthful,  the reconstruction would have run like clockwork,  wouldn't it  ?

Here was their opportunity to  show  the police exactly what had happened,  and thereby demonstrate the truthfulness of their  statements

Then the police could have eliminated them from their enquiries and got on with the job of finding Madeleine

As it was,  by refusing,  the investigation was stymied  (  and subsequently shelved )  and Madeleiene  was effectively  abandoned to her fate

[Mr Gray]

If the McCanns and their chums had been entirely truthful when giving their version of events that night then I do not see what they had to fear in agreeing to a reconstruction

Indeed,  I would think they should have welcomed it,   given that if they  had  been entirely truthful,  the reconstruction would have run like clockwork,  wouldn't it  ?

Here was their opportunity to  show  the police exactly what had happened,  and thereby demonstrate the truthfulness of their  statements

Then the police could have eliminated them from their enquiries and got on with the job of finding Madeleine

As it was,  by refusing,  the investigation was stymied  (  and subsequently shelved )  and Madeleiene  was effectively  abandoned to her fate

They were entirely truthful but they feared a miscarriage of justice...simple

[jassi]

They were entirely truthful but they feared a miscarriage of justice...simple

Alternatively, they weren't and they didn't.

[Mr Gray]

Alternatively, they weren't and they didn't.

Thtats it...a difference of opinion and we will never agree

[Benice]

If the McCanns and their chums had been entirely truthful when giving their version of events that night then I do not see what they had to fear in agreeing to a reconstruction

Indeed,  I would think they should have welcomed it,   given that if they  had  been entirely truthful,  the reconstruction would have run like clockwork,  wouldn't it  ?

Here was their opportunity to  show  the police exactly what had happened,  and thereby demonstrate the truthfulness of their  statements

Then the police could have eliminated them from their enquiries and got on with the job of finding Madeleine

As it was,  by refusing,  the investigation was stymied  (  and subsequently shelved )  and Madeleiene  was effectively  abandoned to her fate

IMO Madeleine was effectively abandoned to her fate from the moment Amaral decided it was the parents wot dunnit.

Can you elaborate on how such a recon. would ''run like clockwork'' as the only person who could give a definite  time that he left the table was Gerry (9.05).  The others could only give approximate times. 

I have asked several times how this recon by 10 people who cannot give precise times can possibly be undertaken with any accuracy - but no-one has come up with an answer.

So I ask again -  For instance Jez said he spoke to Gerry for 3 to 5 minutes.   So which time span would they use in a recon to have Gerry and Jez standing in the street?  3 mins or 5 mins?   Surely you are not expecting anyone to remember their actual conversations a year later - and what about the waiters - where do they feature in this recon?  They are part of what happened that night.

For a recon to prove anything in this particular case,  then 10 or more people would have to be able to precisely re-create their movements on the night of 3rd may - a year later.    IMO this is clearly asking for the impossible -  but if you think differently then perhaps you ( or anyone for that matter) could suggest how this proposed recon was going to be conducted so that it 'ran like clockwork'.

As far as I am concerned no-one lied about their movements, but that doesn't mean that everything  they remembered was accurate.  Memories are not tape recorders and have been proved to be flawed  - which is a perfectly normal human 'condition'.   You seem to be dismissing that well known established fact from the equation altogether.


   

[Estuarine]

IMO Madeleine was effectively abandoned to her fate from the moment Amaral decided it was the parents wot dunnit.

Can you elaborate on how such a recon. would ''run like clockwork'' as the only person who could give a definite  time that he left the table was Gerry (9.05).  The others could only give approximate times. 

I have asked several times how this recon by 10 people who cannot give precise times can possibly be undertaken with any accuracy - but no-one has come up with an answer.

So I ask again -  For instance Jez said he spoke to Gerry for 3 to 5 minutes.   So which time span would they use in a recon to have Gerry and Jez standing in the street?  3 mins or 5 mins?   Surely you are not expecting anyone to remember their actual conversations a year later - and what about the waiters - where do they feature in this recon?  They are part of what happened that night.

For a recon to prove anything in this particular case,  then 10 or more people would have to be able to precisely re-create their movements on the night of 3rd may - a year later.    IMO this is clearly asking for the impossible -  but if you think differently then perhaps you ( or anyone for that matter) could suggest how this proposed recon was going to be conducted so that it 'ran like clockwork'.

As far as I am concerned no-one lied about their movements, but that doesn't mean that everything  they remembered was accurate.  Memories are not tape recorders and have been proved to be flawed  - which is a perfectly normal human 'condition'.   You seem to be dismissing that well known established fact from the equation altogether.

I have been round the block a few times and seen some daft things and heard some puerile comments but this is worthy of a Nobel Prize for Inanity.
It was Dr Amaral's fault? How pray.

[Cariad]

IMO Madeleine was effectively abandoned to her fate from the moment Amaral decided it was the parents wot dunnit.

Can you elaborate on how such a recon. would ''run like clockwork'' as the only person who could give a definite  time that he left the table was Gerry (9.05).  The others could only give approximate times. 

I have asked several times how this recon by 10 people who cannot give precise times can possibly be undertaken with any accuracy - but no-one has come up with an answer.

So I ask again -  For instance Jez said he spoke to Gerry for 3 to 5 minutes.   So which time span would they use in a recon to have Gerry and Jez standing in the street?  3 mins or 5 mins?   Surely you are not expecting anyone to remember their actual conversations a year later - and what about the waiters - where do they feature in this recon?  They are part of what happened that night.

For a recon to prove anything in this particular case,  then 10 or more people would have to be able to precisely re-create their movements on the night of 3rd may - a year later.    IMO this is clearly asking for the impossible -  but if you think differently then perhaps you ( or anyone for that matter) could suggest how this proposed recon was going to be conducted so that it 'ran like clockwork'.

As far as I am concerned no-one lied about their movements, but that doesn't mean that everything  they remembered was accurate.  Memories are not tape recorders and have been proved to be flawed  - which is a perfectly normal human 'condition'.   You seem to be dismissing that well known established fact from the equation altogether.


 

Ok, so you're arguing that it was pointless, others have argued that it was potentially dangerous for the Mccanns. in that they would've been 'stitched up'.

So the worse case scenario is that the Mccanns end up in prison for a crime that they didn't commit, right?

Fine, let's say that that's possible.

The best case scenario is that something would have become apparent that would leads to the safe return of Madeleine.

What wouldn't you do to if you thought your 4 year old daughter was in the clutches of a paedophile? Even if it involved your own personal danger? Even if they was only a very slight chance that your actions would save her?

I've given the best and worst case scenarios. Both were unlikely. They were the outside chance. The probable outcome was that nothing would have been resolved, accept that the Mccanns would have been seen to cooperate with the investigating force.

People run in to burning houses to rescue their children, they throw themselves in to dangerous rivers! People have drowned rescuing their dogs from water, for Gods sake!

Taking part in a reconstruction that you don't really fancy doing cause you don't trust the guy in change is not above and beyond the duty of parents trying to find their child.

And as for the T7, if I were Kate Mccann and they were reticent to help me, I'd have begged, cried, pleaded and emotionally blackmailed them until they agreed.