The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.

[jassi]

Im sure its irritating  to you and that's why you continue to respond to try and downplay this IMPORTANT fact

No importance to me at all,  nor am I playing it down. Indeed,  if you read back, you will notice I am agreeing with you that that is what they said.

[ferryman]

This ridiculous notion that can you 'solve' a crime by reconstituting (the Portuguese term that more accurately reflects what reconstitutions (distinct from reconstructions) seek to do, is one we must hope, the PJ will quietly drop, in the fullness of time.

I have used the example before, but am happy to repeat it.

Witnesses to the summary execution of innocent Brazilian man, Jean-Paul de Menezes at Stockwell London Underground Station, London, "saw" a man wearing a heavy-weight, knee-length coat with leads trailing underneath, who pole-vaulted barriers, sprinted onto the train and was then pinned to the floor and shot dead.

The truth, revealed by CCTV video: he was wearing a light weight denim jacket, made a leisurely entrance onto the platform, stopped to buy a paper, boarded the train in an orderly way, was pounced on, pinned to the floor and shot dead.

I don't suppose those witnesses were lying.  But they sure as hell were wrong.

What price a reconstruction/reconstitution of revealing the truth?

Nil, I would suggest.

[jassi]

This ridiculous notion that can you 'solve' a crime by reconstituting (the Portuguese term that more accurately reflects what reconstitutions (distinct from reconstructions) seek to do, is one we must hope, the PJ will quietly drop, in the fullness of time.

I have used the example before, but am happy to repeat it.

Witnesses to the summary execution of innocent Brazilian man, Jean-Paul de Menezes at Stockwell London Underground Station, London, "saw" a man wearing a heavy-weight, knee-length coat with leads trailing underneath, who pole-vaulted barriers, sprinted onto the train and was then pinned to the floor and shot dead.

The truth, revealed by CCTV video: he was wearing a light weight denim jacket, made a leisurely entrance onto the platform, stopped to buy a paper, boarded the train in an orderly way, was pounced on, pinned to the floor and shot dead.

I don't suppose those witnesses were lying.  But they sure as hell were wrong.

What price a reconstruction/reconstitution of revealing the truth?

Nil, I would suggest.

Which is why, of course, British police NEVER organise these construction   

[Cariad]

This ridiculous notion that can you 'solve' a crime by reconstituting (the Portuguese term that more accurately reflects what reconstitutions (distinct from reconstructions) seek to do, is one we must hope, the PJ will quietly drop, in the fullness of time.

I have used the example before, but am happy to repeat it.

Witnesses to the summary execution of innocent Brazilian man, Jean-Paul de Menezes at Stockwell London Underground Station, London, "saw" a man wearing a heavy-weight, knee-length coat with leads trailing underneath, who pole-vaulted barriers, sprinted onto the train and was then pinned to the floor and shot dead.

The truth, revealed by CCTV video: he was wearing a light weight denim jacket, made a leisurely entrance onto the platform, stopped to buy a paper, boarded the train in an orderly way, was pounced on, pinned to the floor and shot dead.

I don't suppose those witnesses were lying.  But they sure as hell were wrong.

What price a reconstruction/reconstitution of revealing the truth?

Nil, I would suggest.

If your toddler fell into a river, would you go in after them, or would you hang around on the bank cause you might drown too?

[Mr Gray]

If your toddler fell into a river, would you go in after them, or would you hang around on the bank cause you might drown too?

Do you think the McCanns would stay on the bank...you are way off the mark

[Cariad]

Do you think the McCanns would stay on the bank...you are way off the mark

In this analogy they did. They wouldn't put themselves at risk while their child was, in their expressed beliefs, in the clutches of paedophiles.

[ferryman]

Which is why, of course, British police NEVER organise these construction   

To determine guilt or innocence?

Bang-on right.

They never do.

To jog memories and generate new leads, yes!

Such a use of a reconstruction would be prohibited in Portugal by the secrecy laws

[Mr Gray]

In this analogy they did. They wouldn't put themselves at risk while their child was, in their expressed beliefs, in the clutches of paedophiles.

you are assuming wrongly that the reconstruction by the keystone cops was going to help find maddie ...it wasn't...it was simply to try and implicate the mccanns...why is it that neither force think it necessary now

[ferryman]

you are assuming wrongly that the reconstruction by the keystone cops was going to help find maddie ...it wasn't...it was simply to try and implicate the mccanns...why is it that neither force think it necessary now

Yep!

[jassi]

you are assuming wrongly that the reconstruction by the keystone cops was going to help find maddie ...it wasn't...it was simply to try and implicate the mccanns...why is it that neither force think it necessary now

Not really the purpose of reconstructions is to determine a true sequence of events with the aim of apprehending the culprit.

No murdered person has been brought back to life by a reconstruction, nor a rape undone, but plenty of perpetrators are caught because of one.

[Mr Gray]

You mean you are in agreement with principle of "clear us and our mates then we will turn up"?
Well any doubts I ever had have been totally dispelled.
You will say anything in your sycophantic support of the McCanns.

You never had any doubts...its simple...all the McCann doubters say they should have gone back...and all those who believe the McCanns think they should not have gone...now who would have expected that.

I support the McCanns having looked at all the evidence...perhaps I just have better analytical skills than you

[Mr Gray]

Not really the purpose of reconstructions, which is to determine a true sequence of events with the aim of apprehending the culprit.

No murdered person has been brought back to life by a reconstruction, nor a rape undone, but plenty of perpetrators are caught because of one.

According to amamral the pj knew who had dun it...remember...so the intention certainly was to apprehend the culprits...just had to get them back in Portugal first

[jassi]

Was Amaral even in charge when the request for all the Tapas to return to Portugal was made ?

[Mr Gray]

Was Amaral even in charge when the request for all the Tapas to return to Portugal was made ?

No but as you will remember amaral said everyone agreed with him...not another lie was it

[jassi]

No but as you will remember amaral said everyone agreed with him...not another lie was it

I wouldn't know, but I imagine he could only be talking about a period up until he left the Police service. Whatever the thinking was after that time, he wouldn't be party to it, would he ?