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Offline slartibartfast

Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #600 on: October 09, 2014, 07:25:24 AM »
When did they last conduct a routine reconstruction which began at 5.30 and ended at 11.00pm - involving 10  people and was carried out 12 months after the crime was committed? 

Most recons are for the purpose of jogging the memories of members of the public who were in the vicinity at the time.

IMO it is patently obvious this was not the aim of this proposed recon.

 

Yes it is obvious, because that isn't what the Portuguese do reconstructions for.
“Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired”.

Offline John

Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #601 on: October 12, 2014, 12:43:19 AM »
If the Portuguese are serious about solving this case they must bring the entire tapas crew, all the Smith's and other eye witnesses back to Praia da Luz and do what they should have done seven years ago. 
« Last Edit: October 21, 2014, 02:16:30 AM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #602 on: October 12, 2014, 09:01:44 AM »
If the Portuguese are serious about solving this case they must bring the entire tapas crew, all the Smith's and other eye witnesses back to Praia da Luz and do what they should have done seven years ago.

Do you have no faith in SY John?

Offline slartibartfast

Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #603 on: October 12, 2014, 09:08:34 AM »
Do you have no faith in SY John?

Some people seem to regard the police as infallible and having the minds of Sherlock Holmes...

http://www.metpolicecareers.co.uk/eligibility_requirements.html

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Educational Requirements
There are none! People can have every qualification under the sun or nothing at all. The police aren't interested in bits of paper, it is you as a person and your ability to be a police officer that they are interested in. All applicants have to complete the Police Initial Recruitment Test.

http://www.policeuk.com/general_criteria.php
“Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired”.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #604 on: October 12, 2014, 09:48:44 AM »
Some people seem to regard the police as infallible and having the minds of Sherlock Holmes...

http://www.metpolicecareers.co.uk/eligibility_requirements.html

http://www.policeuk.com/general_criteria.php

I think that's what some think of amaral...no police force are infallible but some are far better than others

Alfred R Jones

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Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #605 on: October 12, 2014, 10:29:58 AM »
If the Portuguese are serious about solving this case they must bring the entire tapas crew, all the Smith's and other eye witnesses back to Praia da Luz and do what they should have done seven years ago.
A reconstruction with all the holidaymakers, tapas staff, McCanns and friends, Smiths and anyone else who happened to be in PdL that night?  Very feasible, I'm sure! 

Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #606 on: October 12, 2014, 01:31:32 PM »
If the Portuguese are serious about solving this case they must bring the entire tapas crew, all the Smith's and other eye witnesses back to Praia da Luz and do what they should have done seven years ago.


I wholeheartedly agree John.

There are a lot of unanswered questions. Probably because no one wanted to ask. And as we have found out anyone who does ask in he UK is shot down as a troll!
'Never underestimate the power of stupid people'... George Carlin

Offline John

Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #607 on: October 13, 2014, 02:33:04 PM »
A reconstruction with all the holidaymakers, tapas staff, McCanns and friends, Smiths and anyone else who happened to be in PdL that night?  Very feasible, I'm sure!

Yes, very feasible and should have be ordered long before now with attendance being compulsory and not optional!  It is virtually unheard of, that primary witnesses in a child disappearance case are not compelled to attend the investigation and all that it entails. Put bluntly, it is little surprise that so many people find the whole affair so suspicious.
« Last Edit: October 13, 2014, 03:09:49 PM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline misty

Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #608 on: October 13, 2014, 03:14:17 PM »
Yes, very feasible and should have be ordered long before now with attendance being compulsory and not optional!  It is virtually unheard of, that primary witnesses in a child disappearance case are not compelled to attend the investigation and all that it entails. Put bluntly, it is little surprise that so many people find the whole affair so suspicious.

That would include Smithman, would it? Bit pointless without him.

Offline Brietta

Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #609 on: October 13, 2014, 03:37:42 PM »
Yes, very feasible and should have be ordered long before now with attendance being compulsory and not optional!  It is virtually unheard of, that primary witnesses in a child disappearance case are not compelled to attend the investigation and all that it entails. Put bluntly, it is little surprise that so many people find the whole affair so suspicious.

Then the time to do it would have been while witnesses were still in Portugal and before OC staff dispersed.

Unfortunately a lot of the “suspicions” in this case stem from either the action or inaction of the police;  that they failed to institute such a re-enactment in the early days when it was feasible to do so, for the reasons outlined by Dr Amaral in his book should not reflect on anyone other than those who failed to carry the diligence out.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Alfred R Jones

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Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #610 on: October 13, 2014, 04:10:45 PM »
Yes, very feasible and should have be ordered long before now with attendance being compulsory and not optional!  It is virtually unheard of, that primary witnesses in a child disappearance case are not compelled to attend the investigation and all that it entails. Put bluntly, it is little surprise that so many people find the whole affair so suspicious.
Seriously?  You think it's feasible to reassemble a cast of dozens for a reconstruction seven years after the event and this would somehow help solve the case?  If that really is the case why do you suppose neither the Met nor the PJ have insisted on it?

Offline Benice

Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #611 on: October 15, 2014, 10:13:56 AM »
We don't know what links may or may not be relevant as we are not being given a runnning commentary on the case, but even if they turn out to be unconnected , how could the PJ/SY establish that without first investigating them?

IMO SY are investigating leads which should have been given proper attention before but were not.  Even if current investigations result in previously potential suspects - or theories -  being ruled out - then that is a step forward.

The perpetrator(s) of this crime may never be found but at least the McCanns will have some comfort - no matter how small, in knowing that the case was finally FULLY investigated and that everything that could have been done has now been done.

 
« Last Edit: October 21, 2014, 04:41:04 AM by John »
The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline Angelo222

Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #612 on: October 15, 2014, 11:42:48 AM »
We don't know what links may or may not be relevant as we are not being given a runnning commentary on the case, but even if they turn out to be unconnected , how could the PJ/SY establish that without first investigating them?

IMO SY are investigating leads which should have been given proper attention before but were not.  Even if current investigations result in previously potential suspects - or theories -  being ruled out - then that is a step forward.

The perpetrator(s) of this crime may never be found but at least the McCanns will have some comfort - no matter how small, in knowing that the case was finally FULLY investigated and that everything that could have been done has now been done.

Untrue on so many levels.  Everything has not been done because the tapas group thwarted the investigators...  of that they are most deffo GUILTY!!
De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

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Offline Jean-Pierre

Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #613 on: October 15, 2014, 11:49:09 AM »
Untrue on so many levels.  Everything has not been done because the tapas group thwarted the investigators...  of that they are most deffo GUILTY!!

First of all any reconstruction should have been carrried out in the early stages - while the main witnesses were still around and events fresh in the mind.  One of the advantages of a reconstruction is to trigger memory in the mind of other potential witnesses.

If the objective is to check logistics and feasibility, then computer modelling is far more effective - there is no need to have everyone togther on the ground.

Did Amaral seriously think that anyone would cooperate in returning to Portugal following his accusations against the McCanns on the flimsiest evidence.   




Offline carlymichelle

Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #614 on: October 15, 2014, 11:49:22 AM »
Untrue on so many levels.  Everything has not been done because the tapas group thwarted the investigators...  of that they are most deffo GUILTY!!

look at the oscar pitorious case  right now people kissing his butt because he is a  famous athlete   i believe in this case  some of the mcann supporters  are   starstruck by the   mcanns just like the oscar pitorious  supporters   are