New book "Blood Guilt: The White House Farm Murders" out soon.

[Holly Goodhead]

Thanx for that Holly...maybe they have had a lightbulb moment?   

Yes maybe!

I think I recall Mason Doyle saying that he had turned something up and had to consult with SM.  I assumed that this was something in JB's favour but perhaps not!

Given that MD launched onto Blue and Red letting us know about his forthcoming book etc (unlike Carol Ann Lee) I think the least he could do is put in an appearance and let us know the current state of play.  I appreciate he might be constrained by various factors but to say nothing is imo just plain rude?

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,3151.msg120865.html#msg120865

[sika]

I'm not sure how all this works!  Would 'Mason Doyle' have been commissioned to write this book, or did he write it and then try to find a publisher?

[Holly Goodhead]

I'm not sure how all this works!  Would 'Mason Doyle' have been commissioned to write this book, or did he write it and then try to find a publisher?

Me neither Sika but given 'Mason Doyle's' background ie ex cop, judge's clerk, true crime author with a track record etc, I would have expected him to have foreseen the potential pitfalls in terms of legal issues.  Publishers would certainly be switched on to the legal issues.  Considerable resource must have been thrown at it in terms of man hours and MD said he had visited New Zealand, Canada and US.  I would have thought that the book might have included some new material by way of re-evaluating crime scene photos using state of the art technology etc.  All these things cost.  So no book = someone out of pocket!  Talking of out of pocket... I feel a drubbing coming on in respect of our wager 

[Myster]

Only four months to go... and the finance department of CiN are drooling at the mouth in anticipation!

[Holly Goodhead]

Only four months to go... and the finance department of CiN are drooling at the mouth in anticipation!

Oh well it's for a good cause.  Every little helps 

[sika]

Me neither Sika but given 'Mason Doyle's' background ie ex cop, judge's clerk, true crime author with a track record etc, I would have expected him to have foreseen the potential pitfalls in terms of legal issues.  Publishers would certainly be switched on to the legal issues.  Considerable resource must have been thrown at it in terms of man hours and MD said he had visited New Zealand, Canada and US.  I would have thought that the book might have included some new material by way of re-evaluating crime scene photos using state of the art technology etc.  All these things cost.  So no book = someone out of pocket!  Talking of out of pocket... I feel a drubbing coming on in respect of our wager 
  I wasn't going to mention that!  You were obviously drunk at the time!

I can't believe there's a sufficient public interest in this case, to warrant another book.  Therefor, I would be surprised if a publisher commissioned one.

[Holly Goodhead]

Me neither Sika but given 'Mason Doyle's' background ie ex cop, judge's clerk, true crime author with a track record etc, I would have expected him to have foreseen the potential pitfalls in terms of legal issues.  Publishers would certainly be switched on to the legal issues.  Considerable resource must have been thrown at it in terms of man hours and MD said he had visited New Zealand, Canada and US.  I would have thought that the book might have included some new material by way of re-evaluating crime scene photos using state of the art technology etc.  All these things cost.  So no book = someone out of pocket!  Talking of out of pocket... I feel a drubbing coming on in respect of our wager 
  I wasn't going to mention that!  You were obviously drunk at the time!

I can't believe there's a sufficient public interest in this case, to warrant another book.  Therefor, I would be surprised if a publisher commissioned one.

Sober as a judge 

Anyone under 40 is unlikely to have heard of JB.  Anyone over 40 is unlikely to be interested unless a new book can offer something very compelling with a big marketing budget.  That's as it stands.  Obviously if JB's conviction is ever quashed then I think potentially the interest will be enormous worldwide. 

I have almost finished reading Scott Lomax's book which I've found quite boring, but in fairness to SL I read the other 3 some 2 years ago and his, in the main, is just really a rehash of the others and covering all the stuff we discuss on the forum.  I think if someone is new to the case it provides a good starting point.  He claims new evidence which imo is not evidence at all eg SC seen in the kitchen, EP in conversation with someone inside WHF, phone call from NB and sighting of a male figure at the window.  I haven't found any of the books particularly biased either way.  I think they leave the reader to form his/her own opinions based on how they interpret and perceive the information.

[puglove]

Sober as a judge 

Anyone under 40 is unlikely to have heard of JB.  Anyone over 40 is unlikely to be interested unless a new book can offer something very compelling with a big marketing budget.  That's as it stands.  Obviously if JB's conviction is ever quashed then I think potentially the interest will be enormous worldwide. 

I have almost finished reading Scott Lomax's book which I've found quite boring, but in fairness to SL I read the other 3 some 2 years ago and his, in the main, is just really a rehash of the others and covering all the stuff we discuss on the forum.  I think if someone is new to the case it provides a good starting point.  He claims new evidence which imo is not evidence at all eg SC seen in the kitchen, EP in conversation with someone inside WHF, phone call from NB and sighting of a male figure at the window.  I haven't found any of the books particularly biased either way.  I think they leave the reader to form his/her own opinions based on how they interpret and perceive the information.

These days, there's even less interest in Bamber than in the woman who put the cat in the wheelie bin. Even though some misguided oddballs paid for an Arizona pig shoot, the imperative "new evidence" hasn't happened, and it won't. The more you look into the case, the more you realise that Bamber is guilty, and the invented call from Ralph was Bamber's first and biggest mistake, even though he thought that it would be his alibi. Any more books will just be a waste of time and trees.

[Holly Goodhead]

These days, there's even less interest in Bamber than in the woman who put the cat in the wheelie bin. Even though some misguided oddballs paid for an Arizona pig shoot, the imperative "new evidence" hasn't happened, and it won't. The more you look into the case, the more you realise that Bamber is guilty, and the invented call from Ralph was Bamber's first and biggest mistake, even though he thought that it would be his alibi. Any more books will just be a waste of time and trees.

Oh yes the woman who put the cat in the wheelie bin I wonder what happened to her!  She looked very knitting circleish and worked for RBS.  An unlikely candidate perhaps.

As far as I can see, based on the pathology reports, the burn marks on NB's neck/back were old wounds but don't get me started on that again.  I wouldn't mind betting that SM and NGB didn't check them out with Dr Vanezis.  (JACKIE ANY CHANCE YOU CAN GET SOME CLARIFICATION ON THIS FROM LOPSY?  THANKS).

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=292.msg134570#msg134570

I am still of the opinion that JB is a MoJ.  The fact we all have access to the same info but interpret it so differently is in itself as interesting as the case  &%+((£

Don't think you will be sorting out that wonky table leg of yours with a copy of MD's 'Dead bodies don't move' anytime soon.  Your chocolate fondue evenings will still be very messy affairs 
 

[John]

The only possible new information which any book can bring to the Bamber case would relate to his exploits down under.  I have done some basic detective work on this and there is a story to tell about JB and AN Other.

[Holly Goodhead]

The only possible new information which any book can bring to the Bamber case would relate to his exploits down under.  I have done some basic detective work on this and there is a story to tell about JB and AN Other.

Pray tell...Pleeeeze.  Don't be such a tease 

[Holly Goodhead]

I am not sure whether there is any truth in Andrew Hunter attempting a book on JB but if there is it might be hampered by his health:

http://www.basingstokegazette.co.uk/news/11258639.Former_Basingstoke_MP_Andrew_Hunter_suffers_a_stroke/

If you read this forum Andrew I would like to wish you a speedy and full recovery.

[Myster]

Pray tell...Pleeeeze.  Don't be such a tease 

Don't hold your breath... I'm still waiting for the Blockbuster to materialise! 

[John]

Pray tell...Pleeeeze.  Don't be such a tease 

Checking out anything down under is not an easy task, they don't appear to have the same interest in Bamber and his former associates that we in the UK have which resulted in very little information being put on-line. That said however, I have managed to identify properties and towns associated with these individuals but until such time as this can be checked out by other sources I won't be posting it publicly.

It goes without saying that the passage of time has not helped this search.

It is also worth repeating that it is my belief that Jeremy was aided and abetted in what he did.

[Holly Goodhead]

Checking out anything down under is not an easy task, they don't appear to have the same interest in Bamber and his former associates that we in the UK have which resulted in very little information being put on-line. That said however, I have managed to identify properties and towns associated with these individuals but until such time as this can be checked out by other sources I won't be posting it publicly.

It goes without saying that the passage of time has not helped this search.

It is also worth repeating that it is my belief that Jeremy was aided and abetted in what he did.

I thought EP checked out JB's time spent down under?  Also RWB checked out BC?  And nothing was turned up?

We hear all sorts re JB's exploits down under:

- Murder
- Dealing in class A drugs
- Thieving/robbing two expensive watches from a jewellers
- 'Acquiring' a bag of diamonds

I struggle to believe any of the above.  In the same way that I struggle to believe a lot of the nonsense about others in the case eg SC had a drug debt of 40k.