If the children were being sedated...

[Carana]

I did make the point earlier about the McCann child being removed from the aeroplane and taken down the steps by his father to face the media scrum, all the while remaining seemingly fast asleep.

Quite. Some children do sleep soundly. Little Sean was fast asleep during all the plane/tarmac noise. Amelie was only just awake and didn't seem fazed by yet more photographers.

[icabodcrane]

...with powerful sedatives unsuitable for minors (as is given as a reason by many McCann "sceptics" for the joint cover-up) then why are there reports of at least one of the children crying for an hour or more on one of the nights?  Is it normal for a child who has been given a large enough quantity of sedatives (sufficient at any rate to cause their parents to be most likely charged with an offence should their drugging activities ever come to light) to wake up within a few hours of their dosage and cry loudly for an hour or more?  Or for a child to get up out of her bed shortly after being sedated to climb up onto a sofa to look out of a window, only to then succumb to a fatal fall, as has been suggested by Amaral and others?

Or can we finally dismiss the notion that the children were being sedated as there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever to support the claim?

Is it  possible that the children were sedated as a  consequence  of the hour and a quarter crying episode,   witnessed by the upstairs neighbour, Mrs Fenn    ?

Is it possible that the children were given something to make them sleep more soundly  because their waking up was disrupting their parents evening arrangements  ? 

Is that possible  ? 

[colombosstogey]

...with powerful sedatives unsuitable for minors (as is given as a reason by many McCann "sceptics" for the joint cover-up) then why are there reports of at least one of the children crying for an hour or more on one of the nights?  Is it normal for a child who has been given a large enough quantity of sedatives (sufficient at any rate to cause their parents to be most likely charged with an offence should their drugging activities ever come to light) to wake up within a few hours of their dosage and cry loudly for an hour or more?  Or for a child to get up out of her bed shortly after being sedated to climb up onto a sofa to look out of a window, only to then succumb to a fatal fall, as has been suggested by Amaral and others?

Or can we finally dismiss the notion that the children were being sedated as there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever to support the claim?

I dont believe they were sedated prior to May 3rd, however I believe they were perhaps sedated on that night 3rd May to ensure that they slept soundly.

The child was sedated and became unsteady on her legs when she woke up and perhaps that could be the reason why she fell....

I only take one 2mg Diazepam every night, and when I get up during the night i am really wobbly, also sometimes the tablet has the opposite effect and I cant sleep.

[Alfred R Jones]

Is it  possible that the children were sedated as a  consequence  of the hour and a quarter crying episode,   witnessed by the upstairs neighbour, Mrs Fenn    ?

Is it possible that the children were given something to make them sleep more soundly  because their waking up was disrupting their parents evening arrangements  ? 

Is that possible  ?

Anything's possible but is it feasible that ALL the parents sedated ALL their children because of the crying of one child on one night?  If not, is it likely that ALL the parents would agree to cover up the misdemeanours of those that did?  Or is it possible for the McCanns to have carried out this subterfuge all by themselves?  And, if the McCann children were sedated to ensure that they slept very soundly, then at what point during the evening would it likely have become apparent that one of them wasn't actually sleeping but had died, do you suppose?

So many questions to ponder, so many possibilities, how many likelihoods though?

[Alfred R Jones]

I dont believe they were sedated prior to May 3rd, however I believe they were perhaps sedated on that night 3rd May to ensure that they slept soundly.

The child was sedated and became unsteady on her legs when she woke up and perhaps that could be the reason why she fell....

I only take one 2mg Diazepam every night, and when I get up during the night i am really wobbly, also sometimes the tablet has the opposite effect and I cant sleep.

And do you believe that the McCanns' friends are covering up for the McCanns ill-advised administering of sedatives, and if so why would they do that, in your view?

[ferryman]

Is it  possible that the children were sedated as a  consequence  of the hour and a quarter crying episode,   witnessed by the upstairs neighbour, Mrs Fenn    ?

Is it possible that the children were given something to make them sleep more soundly  because their waking up was disrupting their parents evening arrangements  ? 

Is that possible  ?

I've long had serious doubts, not about the witness Pamela Fenn, but about her statement as we read it on line.

[Carew]

I've long had serious doubts, not about the witness Pamela Fenn, but about her statement as we read it on line.

Didn`t Madeleine ask why her mother hadn`t come when she and Sean cried the night before she disappeared?

Kate McCann herself spoke about it........ and the "waking" aspect of leaving the children alone was on her mind enough for her to discuss it with Fiona Payne.

[stephen25000]

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There is no evidence either way whether the children were given sedatives or not.

Both the PJ and the mccanns are at fault here, and testing should and could have been done very easily in the following days.

Thew mccanns tests later were irrelevant and not independent.

It has also been stated by km,she feared the children had been sedated, so why the hell didn't the mccanns as Doctors insist on the procedure being carried out.

Perhaps they were too busy 'searching'.

[icabodcrane]

Is there anyone who can post even the tiniest bit of evidence either that sedatives were found in Apartment 5A or that any of the McCann children were ever sedated?

Till somebody manages to come up with at least a tiny bit of evidence for either, then there really is not much point to the thread at all.

I look forward to seeing some evidence so that debate can commence on the subject.

Well,  as it happens,  Kate McCann offers what she considers possible evidence of the children having been sedated ;

"On the night Madeleine was taken,  you may remember, Gerry and I had been very concerned that Sean and Amelie had hardly moved in their cots,  let alone woken up,  despite the commotion in the apartment. Since Madeleine was snatched apparently without making a sound, we had always suspected that all three children might have been sedated by an abductor"l

There you have it ...  Kate McCann's  'evidence'  for the children possibly having been sedated 

Or do you reject her observations that night  as being non-evidential  ? 

[ferryman]

Didn`t Madeleine ask why her mother hadn`t come when she and Sean cried the night before she disappeared?

Kate McCann herself spoke about it........ and the "waking" aspect of leaving the children alone was on her mind enough for her to discuss it with Fiona Payne.

The "cause and effect" is interesting.

Right at the outset, way before the McCanns were declared arguidos, the McCanns confided in the PJ that Madeleine had related to them that she had cried for a spell during their absence.

Then the witness in closest proximity to the crime when it occurred, first interviewed months afterwards, apparently about a crime of which she herself was a victim and reported, suddenly offers this apparent account of Madeleine crying.

The crime of which Mrs Fenn was a victim gets a mention (just!) in her statement, right at the end.

And Pamela Fenn's niece Carol Tramner says not a word about this apparent "revelation" of Mrs Fenn's.

Ally that to the fact that Mrs Fenn is on record as saying she didn't even know the family had moved in to the holiday apartment and ...

[stephen25000]

Sourced elsewhere. In reference to Calpol.

Noting, in the article it does state,Calpol is not to be given to children under the age of 6.
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CALPOL NIGHT WHICH WAS NOT TAKEN OFF THE MARKET UNTIL 2009

Calpol night oral solution contains two active ingredients, paracetamol and diphenhydramine hydrochloride.

Paracetamol is a simple painkilling medicine used to relieve mild to moderate pain and fever. Despite its widespread use for over 100 years, we still don't fully understand how paracetamol works to relieve pain and reduce fever. However, it is now thought that it works by reducing the production of prostaglandins in the brain and spinal cord.

The body produces prostaglandins in response to injury and certain diseases. One of the effects of prostaglandins is to sensitise nerve endings, causing pain (presumably to prevent us from causing further harm to the area). As paracetamol reduces the production of these nerve sensitising prostaglandins it is thought it may increase our pain threshold, so that although the cause of the pain remains, we can feel it less.

It is thought paracetamol reduces fever by affecting an area of the brain that regulates our body temperature (the hypothalamic heat-regulating center).

Diphenhydramine is a type of medicine called a sedating antihistamine. It enters the brain in sufficient quantities to cause drowsiness.

Read more: http://www.netdoctor.co.uk/aches-and-pains/medicines/calpol-night.html#ixzz2yylJzAbh
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[Carana]

Sourced elsewhere. In reference to Calpol.

Noting, in the article it does state,Calpol is not to be given to children under the age of 6.
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CALPOL NIGHT WHICH WAS NOT TAKEN OFF THE MARKET UNTIL 2009

Calpol night oral solution contains two active ingredients, paracetamol and diphenhydramine hydrochloride.

Paracetamol is a simple painkilling medicine used to relieve mild to moderate pain and fever. Despite its widespread use for over 100 years, we still don't fully understand how paracetamol works to relieve pain and reduce fever. However, it is now thought that it works by reducing the production of prostaglandins in the brain and spinal cord.

The body produces prostaglandins in response to injury and certain diseases. One of the effects of prostaglandins is to sensitise nerve endings, causing pain (presumably to prevent us from causing further harm to the area). As paracetamol reduces the production of these nerve sensitising prostaglandins it is thought it may increase our pain threshold, so that although the cause of the pain remains, we can feel it less.

It is thought paracetamol reduces fever by affecting an area of the brain that regulates our body temperature (the hypothalamic heat-regulating center).

Diphenhydramine is a type of medicine called a sedating antihistamine. It enters the brain in sufficient quantities to cause drowsiness.

Read more: http://www.netdoctor.co.uk/aches-and-pains/medicines/calpol-night.html#ixzz2yylJzAbh
Follow us: @NetDoctor on Twitter | NetDoctorUK on Facebook

Perhaps you could point out when Calpol Night first appeared on the market and where it has been established that the McCanns had it with them.

[stephen25000]

Perhaps you could point out when Calpol Night first appeared on the market and where it has been established that the McCanns had it with them.

On the first point, i will e-mail the manufacturer tomorrow.

On the second, ask the mccanns.

[ferryman]

Perhaps you could point out when Calpol Night first appeared on the market and where it has been established that the McCanns had it with them.

Well done Carana!

Calpol nigt!

A completely different drug from calpol

The first removed from the market, around the time Kate and Gerry were made arguidos in their daughter's disappearance ...

[stephen25000]

Well done Carana!

Calpol nigt!

A completely different drug from calpol

The first removed from the market, around the time Kate and Gerry were made arguidos in their daughter's disappearance ...

We shall see on that.