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Offline Albertini

Re: Kate's refusal on legal advice to answer those 48 questions.
« Reply #240 on: June 13, 2014, 07:39:46 PM »
actually it is...the archiving report doesn't mention proving innocence...off now

Oh Davey, more drivel.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/demonstrate

dem·on·strate
verb \ˈde-mən-ˌstrāt\

: to prove (something) by showing examples of it : to show evidence of (something)

: to prove (something) by being an example of it : to be evidence of (something)

: to show (a quality, feeling, etc.) clearly to other people

Offline Albertini

Re: Kate's refusal on legal advice to answer those 48 questions.
« Reply #241 on: June 13, 2014, 07:45:37 PM »
cleared of all suspicion is probably semantically more accurate.

No.

The prosecutor's opinion was that there was no evidence found that they had committed a crime BUT the investigation was "disturbed" i.e. incomplete. It was incomplete because for reasons unknown the group decided to not co-operate to enable to the investigation to be completed.

So no evidence was found against the McCann's in the completed part of the investigation BUT the investigation was not finished because the McCann's and their friend prevented the investigation from completing its work.

Huge, massive difference.

Online Wonderfulspam

Re: Kate's refusal on legal advice to answer those 48 questions.
« Reply #242 on: June 13, 2014, 07:51:22 PM »
Oh Davey, more drivel.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/demonstrate

dem·on·strate
verb \ˈde-mən-ˌstrāt\

: to prove (something) by showing examples of it : to show evidence of (something)

: to prove (something) by being an example of it : to be evidence of (something)

: to show (a quality, feeling, etc.) clearly to other people

: to prove (something) by being an example of it : to be evidence of (something)


Indeed

They protested their innocence & then, by not cooperating fully, (or their buddies not doing so, if you prefer) they didn't do a great deal to be an example of it.
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Offline Brietta

Re: Kate's refusal on legal advice to answer those 48 questions.
« Reply #243 on: June 13, 2014, 08:59:16 PM »
People don't cooperate unless they have something to hide.

Especially if they are keen to find their missing daughter.

Or do you know different ?

The Drs McCann were desperately keen to find their missing daughter as has been proved over the past seven years search culminating in the official inquiry in process now.

They could not do this from behind bars.

So it is hardly surprising that Dr Kate McCann exercised her right under Portuguese law not to co-operate in putting herself there.
In the full knowledge no-one would be looking for Madeleine.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Albertini

Re: Kate's refusal on legal advice to answer those 48 questions.
« Reply #244 on: June 13, 2014, 09:17:29 PM »
The Drs McCann were desperately keen to find their missing daughter as has been proved over the past seven years search culminating in the official inquiry in process now.

They could not do this from behind bars.

So it is hardly surprising that Dr Kate McCann exercised her right under Portuguese law not to co-operate in putting herself there.
In the full knowledge no-one would be looking for Madeleine.

Are you seriously suggesting an official police investigation into a missing child, wasn't actually looking for that child?

Have you borrpwed Alfred's tin foil helmet yet?

These conspiracy theories of yours and other Mccann supporters are comical to the point of lunacy.

ferryman

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Re: Kate's refusal on legal advice to answer those 48 questions.
« Reply #245 on: June 13, 2014, 09:44:18 PM »
I would however expect supposedly innocent parents of a child they claim has been abducted to do anything and answer everything thrown at them to ensure the police investigation remained open and active.

Even when the tenor of the questioning makes patently obvious that the police are trying to stitch you up for the crimes of others against your daughter?

Amazing!

The Mccans knew they were innocent and that the PJ were trying to pin an unjust rap on them.

I don't criticise Gerry for answering questions.

And I don't criticise Kate for declining to do so.

« Last Edit: June 13, 2014, 09:47:50 PM by ferryman »

Offline Albertini

Re: Kate's refusal on legal advice to answer those 48 questions.
« Reply #246 on: June 13, 2014, 10:05:05 PM »
I would however expect supposedly innocent parents of a child they claim has been abducted to do anything and answer everything thrown at them to ensure the police investigation remained open and active.

Even when the tenor of the questioning makes patently obvious that the police are trying to stitch you up for the crimes of others against your daughter?

Amazing!

The Mccans knew they were innocent and that the PJ were trying to pin an unjust rap on them.

I don't criticise Gerry for answering questions.

And I don't criticise Kate for declining to do so.

Shame on you as well.

Can you tell me exactly what evidence they could have brought to court which could have stitched them up?

The forensics? They were analysed in the UK.

So what fitting up could they have done and with what evidence?

ferryman

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Re: Kate's refusal on legal advice to answer those 48 questions.
« Reply #247 on: June 13, 2014, 10:09:31 PM »
Shame on you as well.

Can you tell me exactly what evidence they could have brought to court which could have stitched them up?

The forensics? They were analysed in the UK.

So what fitting up could they have done and with what evidence?

Perhaps you are missing the distinction between trying and succeeding?

Offline Albertini

Re: Kate's refusal on legal advice to answer those 48 questions.
« Reply #248 on: June 13, 2014, 10:41:30 PM »
But they didn't abandon their daughter.  They have spent the last 7 years of their lives keeping her profile high, spending thousands on detectives, etc.  Perhaps you could explain why the McCanns should have had confidence and faith in the PJ in September 2007?

By ensuring the investigation was closed, despite by being warned their non co-operation would harm the hunt for their child, the left their daughter to her fate for 7 years.

That is abandoning your child, after all this was the official investigation by the official police force of the country she disappeared in.

To attempt to argue "well they've been campaigning for the last 7 years to get it reopened" is more than a tad rich and hypocritical because had they co-operated IT WOULD NOT have been closed in the first place and would not have needed 7 years to reopen it.

7 years which could have meant an alive and well Madeleine could have been brought home at any point over those last 7 years.

The investigstion now has nothing whatsoever to do with their decision to not co-operate wit the PJ and to allow the child to be left to fend for herself for the last 7 years.

Offline Carana

Re: Kate's refusal on legal advice to answer those 48 questions.
« Reply #249 on: June 15, 2014, 09:44:53 AM »
Once again, the investigation was not a one man show and it wasn't up to Gonçalo Amaral to decide whether to make the McCanns arguidos or not. It was a decision made with the judges from the Ministério Público, the head of the PJ Alípio Ribeiro and the other officers, such as Guilhermino de Encarnação. All this criticism of Gonçalo Amaral and the way he "ran" the investigation is totally pointless seeing that he was not the person who called the shots or made the important decisions. But there are those who continue with this battle because they do not know who else to blame.

- Alípio Ribeiro is on record as being critical of the decision, saying that it was premature.

- Yes, he would no doubt have consulted Guilhermino de Encarnação and team colleagues.

- If my understanding of the following is correct, the decision on arguido status (whether requested or imposed) doesn't involve the MP.
Há que notar, que a aquisição – quer por assunção, quer por constituição – da qualidade de arguido não pressupõe a intervenção do Ministério Público.
http://octalberto.no.sapo.pt/estrutura_fundamental_do_processo_penal.htm

- From what I can determine from the files, the magistrate's office played a fairly passive role (and there are provisions in the CPP regarding a certain amount of delegation to the PJ). They reminded the PJ to get the interpreters to sign legal forms; gave authorisation for her photo and description to be publicised (which is actually something that Amaral did do quickly, to his credit); and responded to requests for court orders (search warrants, phone-tapping, etc.).

- A question, though. I agree that Amaral was the coordinator and not an inspector, but unless his role was a glorified office boy, if he wasn't the head of the team in Portimão.... who was?

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Kate's refusal on legal advice to answer those 48 questions.
« Reply #250 on: June 15, 2014, 09:51:26 AM »
By ensuring the investigation was closed, despite by being warned their non co-operation would harm the hunt for their child, the left their daughter to her fate for 7 years.

That is abandoning your child, after all this was the official investigation by the official police force of the country she disappeared in.

To attempt to argue "well they've been campaigning for the last 7 years to get it reopened" is more than a tad rich and hypocritical because had they co-operated IT WOULD NOT have been closed in the first place and would not have needed 7 years to reopen it.

7 years which could have meant an alive and well Madeleine could have been brought home at any point over those last 7 years.

The investigstion now has nothing whatsoever to do with their decision to not co-operate wit the PJ and to allow the child to be left to fend for herself for the last 7 years.

all this is just your opinion...and blatantly false..imo

stephen25000

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Re: Kate's refusal on legal advice to answer those 48 questions.
« Reply #251 on: June 15, 2014, 09:54:04 AM »
all this is just your opinion...and blatantly false..imo

There is the crux of the matter.

Your opinion and no more than that.

Online Wonderfulspam

Re: Kate's refusal on legal advice to answer those 48 questions.
« Reply #252 on: June 15, 2014, 09:55:53 AM »
By ensuring the investigation was closed, despite by being warned their non co-operation would harm the hunt for their child, the left their daughter to her fate for 7 years.

That is abandoning your child, after all this was the official investigation by the official police force of the country she disappeared in.

To attempt to argue "well they've been campaigning for the last 7 years to get it reopened" is more than a tad rich and hypocritical because had they co-operated IT WOULD NOT have been closed in the first place and would not have needed 7 years to reopen it.

7 years which could have meant an alive and well Madeleine could have been brought home at any point over those last 7 years.

The investigstion now has nothing whatsoever to do with their decision to not co-operate wit the PJ and to allow the child to be left to fend for herself for the last 7 years.

All of this is 100% true & entirely factually correct.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Kate's refusal on legal advice to answer those 48 questions.
« Reply #253 on: June 15, 2014, 09:57:14 AM »
There is the crux of the matter.

Your opinion and no more than that.

exactly...all opinion...

Offline jassi

Re: Kate's refusal on legal advice to answer those 48 questions.
« Reply #254 on: June 15, 2014, 10:18:02 AM »
Im simply answering questions posed on the forum by others.,..and we know what you think of those who don't answer questions

Yeah, if they don't answer I usually give up asking them.
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I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

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