Mark Warner Holidays and Ocean Club Resorts had a duty of care towards their guests.

[stephen25000]

Can you explain how children were being assaulted in their beds while their parents were asleep?  Kate and Gerry actually  being  in the apartment does not mean that it wouldn't have happened.

Well the risk factors would be minimal, especially if the windows were locked as well as the doors, don't you think ?

[Brietta]

Well the risk factors would be minimal, especially if the windows were locked as well as the doors, don't you think ?

Particularly if all the homes benefitted from air conditioning to suit the Portuguese climate and a trainee home invader who hadn't yet mastered entering premises quietly and without the need for a key.

Maybe the blame culture directed at victims should give way to trying to do something about the perpetrator, don't you think?

[Eleanor]

Well the risk factors would be minimal, especially if the windows were locked as well as the doors, don't you think ?

Well, it happened, and more than once.  Or are you accusing these sleeping parents of somehow being responsible?

But then I have often said that Kate and Gerry would still be subjected to this hate campaign even if they had been there and it had happened in the dead of night.

[Mr Gray]

The point is they did not need to, as there was a night creche and the nanny services, available till 11 p.m. free of charge. It was their own selfish decision that created a window of opportunity for a abductor (if there was one).

Yeah.....like all those girls going out drinking....asking to be raped then complaing.....its all there own fault isnt it

[Eleanor]

I wouldn't have wanted to cart three sleeping children back from the night creche with only two parents to do it.

[faithlilly]

I wouldn't have wanted to cart three sleeping children back from the night creche with only two parents to do it.

If all the tapas group had safely placed their children in the crèche then there would have been more than enough adults to escort the children to their apartments.

[xtina]

I wouldn't have wanted to cart three sleeping children back from the night creche with only two parents to do it.

yes well if that is the case ...don't take them on holiday in the first place ....

[carlymichelle]

yes well if that is the case ...don't take them on holiday in the first place ....

exactly  sounds like sefish parenting to me 

[Eleanor]

exactly  sounds like sefish parenting to me

I don't remember your parents leaving you at home when they went on holiday, although I don't suppose anyone would have castigated them if they had.
But they did leave you alone while they had dinner.  Nothing wrong with that either.  IMO.

[slartibartfast]

I don't remember your parents leaving you at home when they went on holiday, although I don't suppose anyone would have castigated them if they had.
But they did leave you alone while they had dinner.  Nothing wrong with that either.  IMO.

We always had family meals on holiday....

[VIXTE]

Well the risk factors would be minimal, especially if the windows were locked as well as the doors, don't you think ?

The risk factors would be minimal if the tourists were informed about the both, attacks on children in their bedrooms and the break-ins.

Instead, this info was kept secret.

[Air Con]

The risk factors would be minimal if the tourists were informed about the both, attacks on children in their bedrooms and the break-ins.

Instead, this info was kept secret.

Do you go on holiday to a foreign country and leave your windows and doors open?

Or would you be more cautious as it's not an area you're used to?

Do you go out for the evening where you currently live and leave your windows and doors open or do you close and lock them to prevent burglaries?

[stephen25000]

The risk factors would be minimal if the tourists were informed about the both, attacks on children in their bedrooms and the break-ins.

Instead, this info was kept secret.

They were in a foreign country.

Even at a basic level of commonsense you would never leave the doors unlocked.

The mccanns had none at all.

[John]

I have always said that Mark Warner Company got off the hook too easily on the occasion of Madeleine's perceived abduction.  Had I been a guest and later found out that the management knew about these intruders and did nada about it, I would have been furious.

[stephen25000]

Well, it happened, and more than once.  Or are you accusing these sleeping parents of somehow being responsible?

But then I have often said that Kate and Gerry would still be subjected to this hate campaign even if they had been there and it had happened in the dead of night.

Excuses, excuses.

They weren't there, and they were out boozing and eating.

They are responsible for that and no one else.