Summers & Swan - A new book - Looking For Madeleine

[Angelo222]

on topic...everyone has their own idea of what impartial means....The book deals with the known facts and dispels lots of myths...they show that the dogs alerts do not prove anything...maddie's dna was not found in the car. On the whole it is extremely supportive of the mccanns...that's because the evidence supports their innocence. This makes them very unpopular with those who have completely misunderstood the evidence and think the mccanns are in some way implicated

Summers and Swan like you ignore the crucial fact that only McCann related possessions and the apartment they were in with Maddie returned positive dog alerts.  Tell me, what evidence supports their innocence because this is one point that the AG emphasised in his report. He stated the McCanns were unable to prove what they had clamed and their innocence towards the fateful event.

AG.  We believe that the main damage was caused to the McCann arguidos, who lost the possibility to prove what they have protested since they were constituted arguidos: their innocence towards the fateful event; the investigation was also disturbed, because said facts remain unclarified.

[Mr Gray]

So, where does that leave your contention that it was the failure to the McCanns to take part in a reconstruction that forced the shelving of the enquiry?

I think what Angelo means is that had the tapas carried out the reconstruction the PJ may have been able to find some inconsistencies to build a case against the mccanns . They could then have charged them and would not have had to shelve the case.

[Mr Gray]

Summers and Swan like you ignore the crucial fact that only McCann related possessions and the apartment they were in with Maddie returned positive dog alerts.

See what I mean about not understanding the evidence...what do you think these alerts indicated?

[Angelo222]

See what I mean about not understanding the evidence...what do you think these alerts indicated?

You do mean suspected?

[Alfred R Jones]

Summers and Swan like you ignore the crucial fact that only McCann related possessions and the apartment they were in with Maddie returned positive dog alerts. Tell me, what evidence supports their innocence because this is one point that the AG emphasised in his report. He stated the McCanns were unable to prove what they had clamed and their innocence towards the fateful event.

AG.  We believe that the main damage was caused to the McCann arguidos, who lost the possibility to prove what they have protested since they were constituted arguidos: their innocence towards the fateful event; the investigation was also disturbed, because said facts remain unclarified.

No they don't.

[Angelo222]

No they don't.

Well they conveniently ignored it then because that fact alone is grounds for suspicion regardless of what the dog alerts do or do not prove.

The dogs only alerted in apartment 5a (McCanns), to McCanns hire car and no other vehicle and to their clothing. Strange don't you think ??

[Miss Taken Identity]

All tin pot and non tin pot justice systems require access to those who were last with the 'victim', they also want to establish a time line of events to ascertain when and how  a 'crime' has taken place.

It is so boring, I know, but it is important to get the facts!  And  funny this> but in this country the police actually question innocent people all the time, they call it  'investigating' .

And, on this occcasion they go to Portugal to question innocent people as well...ahh snot fare I hear you cry.

This book  is a cash converter...

[Alfred R Jones]

Well they conveniently ignored it then because that fact alone is grounds for suspicion regardless of what the dog alerts do or do not prove.

The dogs only alerted in apartment 5a (McCanns), to McCanns hire car and no other vehicle and to their clothing. Strange don't you think ??

They don't ignore it - they say that the dogs only alerted to the McCanns stuff.  It is very suspicious I agree, but not for the reason you think.  What the authors do point out very well is how inexact the art of the cadaver dog is, and how an alert simply cannot be relied upon without corroborating evidence - and in this case there was none, no matter how hard the PJ and the doubters tried to pretend there was. 

[Angelo222]

I also note that Chapter 2 is riddled with selective quotes which sway towards abduction at the expense of any other alternative.  Some refer to this as dishonest but I prefer to believe it is merely a sign of their non impartiality.

[Alfred R Jones]

I also note that Chapter 2 is riddled with selective quotes which sway towards abduction at the expense of any other alternative.  Some refer to this as dishonest but I prefer to believe it is merely a sign of their non impartiality.

Can you give us some examples of this non impartiality?

[Angelo222]

They don't ignore it - they say that the dogs only alerted to the McCanns stuff.  It is very suspicious I agree, but not for the reason you think.  What the authors do point out very well is how inexact the art of the cadaver dog is, and how an alert simply cannot be relied upon without corroborating evidence - and in this case there was none, no matter how hard the PJ and the doubters tried to pretend there was.

Certainly not a factor in determining innocence but then Summers and Swan appear to have a one track mind where that is concerned.

Did Summer and Swan not think the lying prostrate on the ground incidents worthy of note?

[Alfred R Jones]

Certainly not a factor in determining innocence but then Summers and Swan appear to have a one track mind where that is concerned.

Why do you think Summers and Swan are of the view that Madeleine was abducted?

[stephen25000]

Why do you think Summers and Swan are of the view that Madeleine was abducted?

Why did they not analyse the accidental death scenario in any quantitative way ?

[faithlilly]

Why do you think Summers and Swan are of the view that Madeleine was abducted?

Tell me Alfred do you think the authors would have been able to sell a book in this country which suggested complicity by the McCanns in Madeleine's disappearance ?

[Mr Gray]

Why did they not analyse the accidental death scenario in any quantitative way ?

how do you know they didn't....it would soon be shown to be a non starter...they didn't discuss alien abduction either... I bet the aliens are really angry