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Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Summers & Swan - A new book - Looking For Madeleine
« Reply #390 on: September 13, 2014, 08:34:21 PM »
But Matt hadn't arrived back at the restaurant, according to Rachel he spoke to Gerry on the way back from his listening at the windows check.
BOOK Chapter 1
This is wnat Summers thinks happened.
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Just before 9.00 that Thursday evening, on his way back to the restaurant after a check on his own child, Matt Oldfield paused for a moment outside the window of the McCann apartment, “had a listen” and told Gerry minutes later that all was quiet.
At 9:05 nevertheless Gerry returned to apartment 5A to check for himself for the first time. Madeleine, he would recall, was lying in her bed as she had been when he had left. “I had one of those really proud father moments” he said. “I just thought “You’re absolutely beautiful and I love you …”
At about 9:25, the friends would later agree, Kate, Matt Oldfield and Russ O’Brien were about to leave the table-all at the same time- to go to make sure their children were all right. When Oldfield offered to stop at 5A and check for her, Kate accepted the favour. He entered the McCann apartment peered into the children’s room without going in, then returned to say all was quiet.
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"Navigating the difference between weird but normal grief and truly suspicious behaviour is the key for any detective worth his salt.". ….Sarah Bailey

Offline Brietta

Re: Summers & Swan - A new book - Looking For Madeleine
« Reply #391 on: September 13, 2014, 08:51:34 PM »
If this great investigative journalist managed to find the evidence and arguments to show that the McCanns were in no way involved in Madeleine's disappearance, why hasn't he presented them? There is absolutely nothing in the book which would make anyone change their mind about the inconsistencies in the statements of the parents, the lies, their strange behaviour. Nothing he writes about the findings made by the dogs would make me change my mind either. Nothing new at all.

I don’t think you have read the book, Montclair, or if you have it sure ain’t the same one I’m reading.

First thing you should get clear about “the findings of the dogs” is that the dogs found nothing. 

Perhaps the “strange behaviour” of the parents could be down to the fact that Madeleine McCann had vanished from the face of the earth … I think that might have had an impact. 

I think the authors have written well about so called inconsistencies which will clarify the situation to readers new to Madeleine’s case. 

I haven’t yet reached the chapter on the various campaigns mounted against the McCann family, wonder why you have nothing to say about those?
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Montclair

Re: Summers & Swan - A new book - Looking For Madeleine
« Reply #392 on: September 13, 2014, 08:53:33 PM »
I don’t think you have read the book, Montclair, or if you have it sure ain’t the same one I’m reading.

First thing you should get clear about “the findings of the dogs” is that the dogs found nothing. 

Perhaps the “strange behaviour” of the parents could be down to the fact that Madeleine McCann had vanished from the face of the earth … I think that might have had an impact. 

I think the authors have written well about so called inconsistencies which will clarify the situation to readers new to Madeleine’s case. 

I haven’t yet reached the chapter on the various campaigns mounted against the McCann family, wonder why you have nothing to say about those?

Believe what you want! It will make no difference to me.

Offline Mr Gray

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« Reply #393 on: September 13, 2014, 08:54:14 PM »
do you have a tiny clue why it has not been established in court...
« Last Edit: September 22, 2014, 03:53:20 PM by John »

ferryman

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Re: Summers & Swan - A new book - Looking For Madeleine
« Reply #394 on: September 13, 2014, 08:55:34 PM »
First thing you should get clear about “the findings of the dogs” is that the dogs found nothing.

I would go further.

Except, possibly, in the US forensic canine program, dogs never "find" anything ...

Offline Brietta

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« Reply #395 on: September 13, 2014, 08:55:59 PM »
Believe what you want! It will make no difference to me.

I know.

However so, it is decidedly odd to pass judgement on the contents of a book which you don't apper to have read.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Montclair

Re: Summers & Swan - A new book - Looking For Madeleine
« Reply #396 on: September 13, 2014, 08:56:08 PM »
So Stephen accuses the mccanns of lying but is unable to give an example of them lying to the police..point proved

When Gerry gave his first statement to the police on 4 May 2007, he stated that he entered the apartment through the front door using the key. Six days later he changed his statement and said instead that they entered through the sliding glass doors. Which one is true? The other must be a lie.

.Furthermore, the AG in the archiving report stated that the parents lied about their checks on the children in the apartment

stephen25000

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« Reply #397 on: September 13, 2014, 08:57:27 PM »
do you have a tiny clue why it has not been established in court...

Oh yes. %£&)**# %£&)**# %£&)**#

Now you prove the mccanns have told the TRUTH.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Summers & Swan - A new book - Looking For Madeleine
« Reply #398 on: September 13, 2014, 08:58:39 PM »
When Gerry gave his first statement to the police on 4 May 2007, he stated that he entered the apartment through the front door using the key. Six days later he changed his statement and said instead that they entered through the sliding glass doors. Which one is true? The other must be a lie.

You don't have  a clue what he stated as the interviews were translated and not recorded...as alice would say...you would be laughed out of court

Offline Montclair

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« Reply #399 on: September 13, 2014, 09:00:54 PM »
You don't have  a clue what he stated as the interviews were translated and not recorded...as alice would say...you would be laughed out of court

The statements were signed by both Kate and Gerry and translated by persons authorised by the court.

Offline Montclair

Re: Summers & Swan - A new book - Looking For Madeleine
« Reply #400 on: September 13, 2014, 09:02:41 PM »
I don't have to and neither do the mccanns ...if you accuse them of lying then YOU have to prove they have..otherwise its libel

Are you accusing the judge who wrote the archiving report of libel because he wrote that the parents were not truthful about the checks on the children?

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Summers & Swan - A new book - Looking For Madeleine
« Reply #401 on: September 13, 2014, 09:05:46 PM »
The statements were signed by both Kate and Gerry and translated by persons authorised by the court.

last time I checked neither Kate nor Gerry spoke Portuguese so didn't have a clue what they were signing. As they were being interviewed as witnesses and not arguidos it didn't matter that much,,how come I keep having to explain Portuguese law and procedure to you...

interestingly in another case in the press the translator appointed by the court was a local hairdresser...another pointer to the poor standards in Portuguese justice

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Summers & Swan - A new book - Looking For Madeleine
« Reply #402 on: September 13, 2014, 09:07:50 PM »
Are you accusing the judge who wrote the archiving report of libel because he wrote that the parents were not truthful about the checks on the children?

check the laws of libel and come back to me

Alfred R Jones

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Re: Summers & Swan - A new book - Looking For Madeleine
« Reply #403 on: September 13, 2014, 09:07:57 PM »
Saturday, September 13, 2014

Summers and Swan interview – part 2
In part two of our interview with Anthony Summers and Robbyn Swan, the authors explain more about the background to their new book Looking for Madeleine, their thoughts on the police investigations so far, and what may now lie ahead in this extraordinary case.

How did you conduct your research? What was the process you followed?
First and foremost, we spent months doing what we have done on our previous eight books, reading all possible available documentation – in many cases a logistic challenge because of the Portuguese language factor. All of this was sorted and allocated and built into a vast chronology. Chronology, carefully assembled, is the key to investigation – whether by law enforcement or non-fiction authors.
When did you come to the conclusion that Kate and Gerry McCann played no part in covering up their daughter’s disappearance and that claims of this are unfounded?
Were we to have to put a date on this current view of ours, we would say it was at the stage a few months ago when – after all the months of analysing the available evidence and testimony – we were finalizing the manuscript.
Can your book be accurately considered as ‘the definitive account’ of this unsolved case?
Note that our publisher has said that the book is “the most definitive account possible.” Possible at this time. We hope and believe that it is exactly the case at this point, as of September 2014. Events yet to occur may change that and – as and when they do – we would hope to update our work.
Your book has been described as ‘a whitewash’ and ‘propaganda,’ and criticism has been levelled at the amount of ‘spin’ it received in the British media before publication? What is your reaction to this?
It is emphatically not a whitewash, whether or not those making the allegations choose to believe it or not. Should they look at the available evidence and testimony, and in turn how we report it in Looking for Madeleine, they will find such allegations untenable. We know of no articles about us or the book that could be called "spin.” There have been news stories based on the information in the book - that is reporting.
How would you sum up the way in which the investigations have been conducted over the past seven years?
A muddle of events and developments, poorly reported and – because of the lengthy lapse of time after the case was archived – critically interrupted. Hopefully, with both nations’ police forces for some time now engaged in systematic fresh work, lost ground may be retrieved.
How relevant is the Gamble report discussed on Sky TV shortly before publication of the book?
The report written by former Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre head Jim Gamble and his team has not been released. In an interview for our book, Gamble discussed it, we believe, more openly and at greater length than ever before, and this was justifiably newsworthy. The inclusion of this self-critique of British law enforcement’s role in the investigation, from a senior source, was welcome and long overdue. The first Portuguese investigation has been widely criticised, often exaggeratedly and in a way that seemed xenophobic. The new openness from the UK’s Gamble may go some way to redressing the balance. Once it becomes ethically possible, Portuguese law enforcement may perhaps offer similar up-to-date background. Should that occur, we would be glad to report it in a new edition of Looking for Madeleine.
How long do you expect the investigation to continue?
Rather than speak in terms of months or weeks, we hope the investigations by both Portuguese and British law enforcement will be allowed to continue until they have followed up on all the lines of inquiry they regard as necessary. We hope the climate of public opinion in both countries develops positively, in a way that favours true international cooperation. Unbiased, moderate media reporting could do much to make this possible.
Do you think the mystery will ever be solved?
A major breakthrough would be a forensic lead. Any trace, dead or alive, of Madeleine. The police never forget, though, that someone, somewhere, knows – or suspects they have knowledge – of what happened to Madeleine. Someone’s wife, someone’s brother or sister or friend. Someone who noticed something but has until now kept it to themselves. What cold case investigators always hope for is that some hitherto unknown witness or witnesses will come forward with the fragment of information that can break the case. It’s happened in the past, and could yet happen in the case of Madeleine.
Posted by Len Port at 11:12 AM 

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Summers & Swan - A new book - Looking For Madeleine
« Reply #404 on: September 13, 2014, 09:13:59 PM »
An article re another trial of a Brit in Portugal
Garry’s trial in Portugal saw him arrested, tried and convicted all in the space of 48 hours. A British police officer in attendance at the trial has described how Garry was unable to instruct a lawyer and unable to understand the proceedings due to the poor quality of translation and interpretation provided. For this reason, a British court in 2005 found that his conviction in Portugal was unsafe and the trial had breached his fair trial rights.

So how good were the translators in the mccanns case?