Summers & Swan - A new book - Looking For Madeleine

[faithlilly]

Where did the PJ and SY initially source the information which enabled them to re-open Madeleine McCann's case ... from the case files.

There is no doubt they have built on that to progress the case to where it is now. 

Overlooked and ignored evidence was the key, and it was overlooked and ignored simply because it did not point to Mr Amaral's preferred suspects or support his theory.

Rebelo was the case coordinator for many more months than Amaral and continued on the same path as his predecessor, a fact the faithful seem eager to ignore.

[Lyall]

Where did the PJ and SY initially source the information which enabled them to re-open Madeleine McCann's case ... from the case files.

There is no doubt they have built on that to progress the case to where it is now. 

Overlooked and ignored evidence was the key, and it was overlooked and ignored simply because it did not point to Mr Amaral's preferred suspects or support his theory.

And you know very well in June/July/Aug 2007 the Portuguese were working alongside British police. It was the British police who set in motion the events that led to the alerts and to arguido status. Any police anywhere in the world would have reacted the same way.

You are confusing evidence with lines of inquiry, or possible lines of inquiry.

[Brietta]

And you know very well in June/July/Aug 2007 the Portuguese were working alongside British police. It was the British police who set in motion the events that led to the alerts and to arguido status. Any police anywhere in the world would have reacted the same way.

You are confusing evidence with lines of inquiry, or possible lines of inquiry.

Oh I see you don't follow lines of inquiry to uncover evidence? 

[Lyall]

Oh I see you don't follow lines of inquiry to uncover evidence?

You do if you have unlimited resources and a lot of time.

Op Grange was looking at the information for two whole years weren't they, under no pressure with nobody bothering them.

Different scenario entirely in summer 2007 for the Portuguese and British police.

[Benice]

Is it quite clear Kate was the target ? Reading their statements it would seem they were asked broadly the same questions. The only difference being Gerry answered them.

As to 'the deal' it would seem the McCanns' own lawyer denied one had been offered. From the Guardian :

'On this occasion the police officers were right to be angry. Like many things said about the McCann affair over the past days and months, the story was wrong. There was no offer of a plea bargain. It had all been "a misunderstanding", the McCann lawyer, Carlos Pinto de Abreu, explained the following day.'

http://www.theguardian.com/media/2007/sep/17/mondaymediasection13

So Kate's description in her book of her lawyer conveying the PJ's offer to them - and describing in detail what he said to her -  and her reaction to that proposed deal was just all a pack of lies?    Strange that her lawyer hasn't taken offence at being  libelled in that way. - or that Kate would decide to write something which, if it didn't happen, would simply prove to her own lawyer that she was a liar?  Why would she want to do something so stupid?

Common sense please.

Have you got a full cite of what her lawyer actually did say?   It's not clear from the article who stated that there had been no offer of a plea bargain. 

[ferryman]

So Kate's description in her book of her lawyer conveying the PJ's offer to them - and describing in detail what he said to her -  and her reaction to that proposed deal was just all a pack of lies?    Strange that her lawyer hasn't taken offence at being  libelled in that way. - or that Kate would decide to write something which, if it didn't happen, would simply prove to her own lawyer that she was a liar?  Why would she want to do something so stupid?

Common sense please.

Have you got a full cite of what her lawyer actually did say?   It's not clear from the article who stated that there had been no offer of a plea bargain.

That old chest-nut.

The McCanns were certainly made an offer.

But in strict legal terms the offer was not a 'plea-bargain'.

There is (I think) quite a good blog on this very question.

But I shan't post it because I wrote it.

[Mr Gray]

Isn't it common place for the police to tell lies in order to gain a confession...that's what we are told on here..

[ferryman]

Isn't it common place for the police to tell lies in order to gain a confession...that's what we are told on here..

In the US (I gather) it is regarded as a permissible tactic to test a suspect by lying about your evidence, to test the suspect.

And I think other judiciaries follow the US example.

I've not researched it too carefully, though.

[ferryman]

One big clue (about the deal) is that Mark Harrison makes very clear in his reports that he was tasked (by the PJ!) to investigate that Madeleine had been murdered.

The whole (shelved) enquiry was a murder investigation.

ETA:

In fairness, not the whole of the investigation, but certainly that part of it from when the British arrived.

[Carana]

In the US (I gather) it is regarded as a permissible tactic to test a suspect by lying about your evidence, to test the suspect.

And I think other judiciaries follow the US example.

I've not researched it too carefully, though.

Quite possibly, and perhaps urgent circumstances sometimes demand it.

On the other hand, more subtle police questioning can be effective by simply letting the suspect tie themselves in knots (cf the Jodi Arias police interviews).

[Alice Purjorick]

Isn't it common place for the police to tell lies in order to gain a confession...that's what we are told on here..

West Midlands Serious Crime Squad?
Firty free cases overturned to date.

[faithlilly]

So Kate's description in her book of her lawyer conveying the PJ's offer to them - and describing in detail what he said to her -  and her reaction to that proposed deal was just all a pack of lies?    Strange that her lawyer hasn't taken offence at being  libelled in that way. - or that Kate would decide to write something which, if it didn't happen, would simply prove to her own lawyer that she was a liar?  Why would she want to do something so stupid?

Common sense please.

Have you got a full cite of what her lawyer actually did say?   It's not clear from the article who stated that there had been no offer of a plea bargain.

Common sense says that the lawyer/client relationship would exclude Kate's lawyer from speaking about their discussions that night in anything but the most broad terms.

[Mr Gray]

West Midlands Serious Crime Squad?
Firty free cases overturned to date.

I think Portugal are at last 40 yrs behind the UK...........the Portuguese lied when they offered kate the deal...simple....

[stephen25000]

I think Portugal are at last 40 yrs behind the UK...........the Portuguese lied when they offered kate the deal...simple....

There was no deal.

Myth.

Made up by some non-entity.

[Alice Purjorick]

I think Portugal are at last 40 yrs behind the UK...........the Portuguese lied when they offered kate the deal...simple....

You posted:

Isn't it common place for the police to tell lies in order to gain a confession...that's what we are told on here..


I agreed with that citing WMSCS
The rest doesn't matter to the argument.