New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.

[Benice]

From Film 3 - re the hotline calls not investigated nor even listened to - this is what the Mail reported -

Source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1231757/Madeleine-McCann-investigator-didnt-listen-ANY-tip-offs-given-hotline--squandered-500-000.html

Sorry Pegasus but I fail to see any connection at all between my post and a newspaper article about an entirely different subject.

This is what I said:

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 My overriding impression thus far is that Richard Hall is clearly lacking the necessary investigative expertise  required to make a credible case.
unquote.

First of all he  thinks that everyone who had a phone call from the McCanns that night, all actually repeated verbatim to the media what they had been told by Kate and Gerry - and that because what each person said was not a word for word exact replica of other people's comments -  he attributes those differences to 'lies' by K&G.   (e.g. the shutters)   That is clearly nonsense to anyone who understands what can happen to the same news when passed on by word of mouth to different people - particularly in times of great stress and over the phone. 

Secondly he is obviously unaware that he is using 'hindsight' to make criticisms -  a trap which no adept 'investigator' would fall into  - because it makes the author look inept.    No-one can be expected to make decisions/judgements on events which haven't happened yet - but he clearly expected them to.   (e.g. the sticker book ). 

Thirdly, he either hasn't read Martin Grime's statements, or he has chosen to ignore them - as his comments about the dogs are incorrect.   He appears to think that because Eddie barked - a corpse must have been present.   According to Martin Grime this is not a fact.

I could go on  ... but suffice it to say that so far I get the impression that Richard Hall has been fed a lot of misinformation from other quarters - which he has unquestioningly soaked up like a sponge.

Maybe, if I watch the rest I'll change my mind about his investigative 'skills' but I doubt it.     I'll give it a try when I get time.

(All IMHO).

[jassi]

I thought it was much later than the 6th of May.  Gerry met Clarence Mitchell for the first time when Gerry first returned to The UK.  But I don't know what was going on behind the scenes.

I thought Mitchell was there almost from the start, seconded from his government job, and was then replaced by someone else, before becoming employed by the McCanns.

[stephen25000]

Now on part 2 of the video.

Heavy going with the droning voice............

[Eleanor]

Now on part 2 of the video.

Heavy going with the droning voice............

Isn't it just.

I did it in one sitting, mainly to get it out of the way, and because one can't comment without seeing it all.  But now I can't remember what most of it was about.

[Benice]

Now on part 2 of the video.

Heavy going with the droning voice............

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Gosh - we agree on something..  (faints)

[stephen25000]

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Gosh - we agree on something..  (faints)

It's a miracle.

[Brietta]

Sorry Pegasus but I fail to see any connection at all between my post and a newspaper article about an entirely different subject.

This is what I said:

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 My overriding impression thus far is that Richard Hall is clearly lacking the necessary investigative expertise  required to make a credible case.
unquote.

First of all he  thinks that everyone who had a phone call from the McCanns that night, all actually repeated verbatim to the media what they had been told by Kate and Gerry - and that because what each person said was not a word for word exact replica of other people's comments -  he attributes those differences to 'lies' by K&G.   (e.g. the shutters)   That is clearly nonsense to anyone who understands what can happen to the same news when passed on by word of mouth to different people - particularly in times of great stress and over the phone. 

Secondly he is obviously unaware that he is using 'hindsight' to make criticisms -  a trap which no adept 'investigator' would fall into  - because it makes the author look inept.    No-one can be expected to make decisions/judgements on events which haven't happened yet - but he clearly expected them to.   (e.g. the sticker book ). 

Thirdly, he either hasn't read Martin Grime's statements, or he has chosen to ignore them - as his comments about the dogs are incorrect.   He appears to think that because Eddie barked - a corpse must have been present.   According to Martin Grime this is not a fact.

I could go on  ... but suffice it to say that so far I get the impression that Richard Hall has been fed a lot of misinformation from other quarters - which he has unquestioningly soaked up like a sponge.

Maybe, if I watch the rest I'll change my mind about his investigative 'skills' but I doubt it.     I'll give it a try when I get time.

(All IMHO).

I seriously lost interest at 5:11 in video one when he selectively ‘quoted’ John Stalker; either he did not carry out elementary research into what John Stalker actually said based on his observation at the time; or he chose to ignore the bigger picture and cherry pick only that which suited the ‘theory’ he is promoting.

Either way it confirms that this is not a proper study of the events of 3rd May 2007 and as such it is impossible for this video to throw an iota of light onto what happened to Madeleine McCann.

[Eleanor]

It's a miracle.

OMG.  I can feel a Smilie coming on.

[stephen25000]

OMG.  I can feel a Smilie coming on.

I'm watch it it now.

A coffee helps..............

[Eleanor]

I seriously lost interest at 5:11 in video one when he selectively ‘quoted’ John Stalker; either he did not carry out elementary research into what John Stalker actually said based on his observation at the time; or he chose to ignore the bigger picture and cherry pick only that which suited the ‘theory’ he is promoting.

Either way it confirms that this is not a proper study of the events of 3rd May 2007 and as such it is impossible for this video to throw an iota of light onto what happened to Madeleine McCann.

What Theory is he promoting, do you think?

[Carana]

My apologies, I think are are correct on that point.
BTW do you think it is true, that C.Mitchell was assigned to this case on 6th May 2007, as claimed in the film?
Or do you think the film has got it wrong, and he was not assigned to the case until much later, after Ms Dodd left?

I still haven't got to the end of Part I yet.

According to Kate's book (and which seems corroborated by news clips), Alex Woolfall from Bell Pottinger was the first to help out, albeit within the context of crisis management for Mark Warner. Sheree Dodd (an independent consultant) was appointed by the Foreign Office temporarily to help with the campaign and arrived on 15 May. P 138.

Clarence was then seconded to the Foreign Office to assist with the media frenzy. The first time Gerry met Clarence was on 20 May when Gerry had gone over over to the UK. When exactly that decision was made between the MMU and the Foreign Office was made isn't clear from the book. It's quite possible that the decision was made fairly early on and Clarence may have needed a week or two to get organised, hence the interim assistance from Sheree.

I haven't checked whether Clarence explained how / when he got involved in a presentation he made at some point. I'll add it if I come across it.

In other words, the decision by the FO to seek a secondment seems likely to have been taken earlier than when he actually appeared on the scene in a working capacity. Later, of course, he was replaced by Justine, hired by the Fund (I believe - to check), and then was privately appointed after Justine had left.

From memory, it's not the first time that someone from the FCO has been sent out to a foreign country to assist with media frenzies. I'm not sure if I could find the reference without recalling the country and / or name of who it was. The basic situation was chaos caused by the media that had descended like a swarm of bees and sending someone out to provide assistance was a diplomatic gesture to help the overwhelmed country in question.

[Carana]

I will try to get through Part 1 today.

I've tried to set aside his background of writing or interviewing people on such issues as NATO and UFO conspiracies. I have... really. However, I'm still only halfway through Part 1.

He seems to have put quite a bit of effort into it from what I've viewed so far (which isn't much). However, his research seems to be limited to biased sources. I'd have excluded http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/ from that list of dubious sources, but that is a different site linked to via the one he listed: http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/

As such, it can hardly be described as "Buried By Mainstream Media - The True Story of Madeleine McCann" when most of the recommended links are connected to either Tony Bennett and / or Amaral's defence league and when most of the allegations that were supposedly "buried" were reproduced in the mainstream media to be later discredited in the first place.

[Brietta]

What Theory is he promoting, do you think?

That's a really tough one to answer ... but I'm sure I'll be able to remember if I check one or two of the websites he has used for his sources.

[Eleanor]

That's a really tough one to answer ... but I'm sure I'll be able to remember if I check one or two of the websites he has used for his sources.

Well , "17 Changes in Murat's Statement"  seems to ring a bell with me.  I wonder where I read that?

[pegasus]

I have watched all 4 films. Something which maybe could have been included but wasn't, is the apparent selective redaction of some telephone numbers in the phone records as presented in the files. BTW the Guardian reported that the phone analyses were done by UK analysts. We know there were calls from or to TBlair, Gbrown, DMilliband, MBeckett, CR, and other high powered people. Would it be strange if the redacted numbers were to correspond to these peeps?