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Offline Benice

You don't want to take it seriously, for a simple reason.

it shows what all the abduction stories in the headlines were.....

PLANTED and PURE RUBBISH.

If you say so Stephen...... but you still haven't come up with a reason WHY the McCanns have allegedly been afforded the protection of subsequent governments (with a cast of thousands) to prevent them going to court.

What exactly is it that they are holding over the heads of our leaders?  And how did they come into possession of this dynamite (whatever it is)  - with which they are so successfully blackmailing them?  (Apparently).

Do tell.


The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

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If you say so Stephen...... but you still haven't come up with a reason WHY the McCanns have allegedly been afforded the protection of subsequent governments (with a cast of thousands) to prevent them going to court.

What exactly is it that they are holding over the heads of our leaders?  And how did they come into possession of this dynamite (whatever it is)  - with which they are so successfully blackmailing them?  (Apparently).

Do tell.

You're not answering the points about the 'FAKE ABDUCTION STORIES and CLARENCE MITCHELL', why is that ?

Secondly, it is very clear the mccanns had access to Blair and his wife, and of course Brown, not counting numerous other governmental 'assistance'.

How do you explain that ?

and do you seriously believe a husband and wife from a council estate would have received the 'HELP' the mccanns have been given.

If you do, then you are the clear fantasist and then some.


Offline Benice

You're not answering the points about the 'FAKE ABDUCTION STORIES and CLARENCE MITCHELL', why is that ?

Secondly, it is very clear the mccanns had access to Blair and his wife, and of course Brown, not counting numerous other governmental 'assistance'.

How do you explain that ?

and do you seriously believe a husband and wife from a council estate would have received the 'HELP' the mccanns have been given.

If you do, then you are the clear fantasist and then some.


But surely you need to start at the beginning Stephen?    What is this enormous power that the McCanns hold over our government, the police, the media, etc etc etc which enables them to treat them like puppets on a string whenever they like?

Unless you can come up with a credible answer to that basic question  - then none of the allegations of a cover up make any sense -  and so aren't worth discussing.     Surely you must see that?

(I must go out now - so I'll leave you to ponder).





The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline Mr Gray

You're not answering the points about the 'FAKE ABDUCTION STORIES and CLARENCE MITCHELL', why is that ?

Secondly, it is very clear the mccanns had access to Blair and his wife, and of course Brown, not counting numerous other governmental 'assistance'.

How do you explain that ?

and do you seriously believe a husband and wife from a council estate would have received the 'HELP' the mccanns have been given.

If you do, then you are the clear fantasist and then some.

What proof is there of fake abduction stories and Clarence Mitchell

stephen25000

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What proof is there of fake abduction stories and Clarence Mitchell

Watch part 4. 8((()*/

Offline Eddie

I must begin by making it clear that I am NOT a McCann supporter!

The list that has been provided earlier in this thread as the sources used by RH is actually a list of useful links. His primary source of reference, particularly in disc 3 seems to be the MSM. In disc three he spends 20 minutes or so reading from an article written by Christine Toomey in the Sunday times (a Murdoch Group newspaper). This section comprises roughly one third of the videos total length. He also uses references at length from the Daily Mail and The London Evening Standard. This hardly bodes well for someone who is attempting to prove that this story has been "Buried by the mainstream media"

Richard also fails to mention that the Mccann's sued the Express Group in 2008. The Express Group had printed over 100 articles that implied the Mccann's were involved in the 'disappearance' of their daughter. This indicates that, far from burying the story, the express group were keen to print all aspects of the case. I have no doubt that without the threat of litigation the Express group would still be reporting in the same fashion, after all it sells newspapers which is their business. I raised this issue, via e-mail with Richard and got the reply that the Express Group could have deliberately overstated the Mccann's involvement in their articles in order to get silenced! In other words, Richard proposes, that the Express Group may have deliberately got themselves sued.

Another area where Richard makes a fundamental mistake is in his belief that Clarence Mitchell 'controlled' what came out in the media. This is taken from a Spanish article where the verb 'monitor' has been translated to 'controla' and then mistranslated back to English as 'control' Clarence Mitchell's function as the head of the media 'monitoring' unit was to read the newspapers and highlight to the PM anything of note. He did not have meetings with editors and journalists at 3am telling them what they could and could not print.

Richards agenda is to highlight the covering up of stories in the mainstream media. On this showing he falls short of the mark. He has little interest in the case of Madeleine beyond his vision of a cover up. While he does highlight a few of the many inconsistencies in the case he fails to grip the viewer to any degree. I am interested in the case and have been since day one. I happen to believe that the Mccann's were involved in the death of their daughter and the subsequent hiding of evidence. I further believe that the 'fund' has been used for purposes other than the search for Madeleine. I am also suspicious of the high level involvement in the case. In all of these aspects I find myself agreeing with Richard, however, with his poor methodology and tedious presentation this DVD series will not convince many 'pros' or neutrals.

Finally, while it is true that Richard has waived copyright on these DVDs and has asked that they be distributed freely and they are freely available on YouTube, we must remember that not everyone is solely motivated financially. For some publicity is what drives them and in this respect Richard may have hit the jackpot!


Offline Bert Singe

I must begin by making it clear that I am NOT a McCann supporter!

The list that has been provided earlier in this thread as the sources used by RH is actually a list of useful links. His primary source of reference, particularly in disc 3 seems to be the MSM. In disc three he spends 20 minutes or so reading from an article written by Christine Toomey in the Sunday times (a Murdoch Group newspaper). This section comprises roughly one third of the videos total length. He also uses references at length from the Daily Mail and The London Evening Standard. This hardly bodes well for someone who is attempting to prove that this story has been "Buried by the mainstream media"

Richard also fails to mention that the Mccann's sued the Express Group in 2008. The Express Group had printed over 100 articles that implied the Mccann's were involved in the 'disappearance' of their daughter. This indicates that, far from burying the story, the express group were keen to print all aspects of the case. I have no doubt that without the threat of litigation the Express group would still be reporting in the same fashion, after all it sells newspapers which is their business. I raised this issue, via e-mail with Richard and got the reply that the Express Group could have deliberately overstated the Mccann's involvement in their articles in order to get silenced! In other words, Richard proposes, that the Express Group may have deliberately got themselves sued.

Another area where Richard makes a fundamental mistake is in his belief that Clarence Mitchell 'controlled' what came out in the media. This is taken from a Spanish article where the verb 'monitor' has been translated to 'controla' and then mistranslated back to English as 'control' Clarence Mitchell's function as the head of the media 'monitoring' unit was to read the newspapers and highlight to the PM anything of note. He did not have meetings with editors and journalists at 3am telling them what they could and could not print.

Richards agenda is to highlight the covering up of stories in the mainstream media. On this showing he falls short of the mark. He has little interest in the case of Madeleine beyond his vision of a cover up. While he does highlight a few of the many inconsistencies in the case he fails to grip the viewer to any degree. I am interested in the case and have been since day one. I happen to believe that the Mccann's were involved in the death of their daughter and the subsequent hiding of evidence. I further believe that the 'fund' has been used for purposes other than the search for Madeleine. I am also suspicious of the high level involvement in the case. In all of these aspects I find myself agreeing with Richard, however, with his poor methodology and tedious presentation this DVD series will not convince many '[ censored word ]' or neutrals.

Finally, while it is true that Richard has waived copyright on these DVDs and has asked that they be distributed freely and they are freely available on YouTube, we must remember that not everyone is solely motivated financially. For some publicity is what drives them and in this respect Richard may have hit the jackpot!

I'll join your first post in making my own first post by saying I echo your thoughts.

I do not go in for conspiracy theories and this Richard Hall seems to be heavily into them. I have not yet watched all of the videos, I'm halfway through part 3 at the moment. I find his tone very monotonous and his narrative very wooden. The videos would have been much more enjoyable with a professional narrator but I must stress that none of that should detract from the message Richard Hall is attempting to convey.

That message is that something is just not right with this whole sorry episode and requires further investigation. Why has that investigation not been forthcoming? It certainly has not been a feature of the UK police's recent investigation. They appear to have made their mind up from day one of Operation Grange that the parents nor their friends had anything to do with this disappearance and it is therefore a stranger abduction. As of yet none of that has been proven and this case remains unsolved as do many, many other serious past crimes the UK police have had the opportunity to investigate and failed to find the answer to.

Offline Brietta

I must begin by making it clear that I am NOT a McCann supporter!

The list that has been provided earlier in this thread as the sources used by RH is actually a list of useful links. His primary source of reference, particularly in disc 3 seems to be the MSM. In disc three he spends 20 minutes or so reading from an article written by Christine Toomey in the Sunday times (a Murdoch Group newspaper). This section comprises roughly one third of the videos total length. He also uses references at length from the Daily Mail and The London Evening Standard. This hardly bodes well for someone who is attempting to prove that this story has been "Buried by the mainstream media"

Richard also fails to mention that the Mccann's sued the Express Group in 2008. The Express Group had printed over 100 articles that implied the Mccann's were involved in the 'disappearance' of their daughter. This indicates that, far from burying the story, the express group were keen to print all aspects of the case. I have no doubt that without the threat of litigation the Express group would still be reporting in the same fashion, after all it sells newspapers which is their business. I raised this issue, via e-mail with Richard and got the reply that the Express Group could have deliberately overstated the Mccann's involvement in their articles in order to get silenced! In other words, Richard proposes, that the Express Group may have deliberately got themselves sued.

Another area where Richard makes a fundamental mistake is in his belief that Clarence Mitchell 'controlled' what came out in the media. This is taken from a Spanish article where the verb 'monitor' has been translated to 'controla' and then mistranslated back to English as 'control' Clarence Mitchell's function as the head of the media 'monitoring' unit was to read the newspapers and highlight to the PM anything of note. He did not have meetings with editors and journalists at 3am telling them what they could and could not print.

Richards agenda is to highlight the covering up of stories in the mainstream media. On this showing he falls short of the mark. He has little interest in the case of Madeleine beyond his vision of a cover up. While he does highlight a few of the many inconsistencies in the case he fails to grip the viewer to any degree. I am interested in the case and have been since day one. I happen to believe that the Mccann's were involved in the death of their daughter and the subsequent hiding of evidence. I further believe that the 'fund' has been used for purposes other than the search for Madeleine. I am also suspicious of the high level involvement in the case. In all of these aspects I find myself agreeing with Richard, however, with his poor methodology and tedious presentation this DVD series will not convince many '[ censored word ]' or neutrals.

Finally, while it is true that Richard has waived copyright on these DVDs and has asked that they be distributed freely and they are freely available on YouTube, we must remember that not everyone is solely motivated financially. For some publicity is what drives them and in this respect Richard may have hit the jackpot!

Welcome to the forum, Eddie.

You certainly have nailed your colours firmly to the mast.
I hope you are able to spare a thought for Madeleine McCann; she is the important one here; what you may think of her parents is an irrelevance except when that might impede in any way the current investigation into her case.

Your point that the mainstream media have in the past done rather the reverse of burying information such as may be contained in this documentary is well made. 

The damaging media frenzy you describe was curtailed with the release of the actual forensic results; that there were out of court settlements made confirms that it was immediately realised that the information they had previously printed was false. 

One wonders why there are people who cannot come to terms with this; the fact being that if a statement is libellous it must be unfounded and cannot be proved; the mainstream media have been made aware of this, and therefore to a large extent try not to replicate untruths exemplified in scurrilous documentaries such as this.

I agree with your point that some have publicity thrust upon them but the motivating factor for others is to achieve publicity by whatever means possible ~ and I think that is the purpose of these videos.

Self promotion seems to be the name of the game here; not concern that the 'truth' is ever told about Madeleine McCann.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Eleanor


Eddie and Bert Singe.  Welcome.

This was and still remains a Portuguese Investigation.  What do you think of the way in which they handled it, prior to Scotland Yard becoming involved.

Offline Brietta

I'll join your first post in making my own first post by saying I echo your thoughts.

I do not go in for conspiracy theories and this Richard Hall seems to be heavily into them. I have not yet watched all of the videos, I'm halfway through part 3 at the moment. I find his tone very monotonous and his narrative very wooden. The videos would have been much more enjoyable with a professional narrator but I must stress that none of that should detract from the message Richard Hall is attempting to convey.

That message is that something is just not right with this whole sorry episode and requires further investigation. Why has that investigation not been forthcoming? It certainly has not been a feature of the UK police's recent investigation. They appear to have made their mind up from day one of Operation Grange that the parents nor their friends had anything to do with this disappearance and it is therefore a stranger abduction. As of yet none of that has been proven and this case remains unsolved as do many, many other serious past crimes the UK police have had the opportunity to investigate and failed to find the answer to.

Hello Bert Singe.

Great to see the forum attracting new blood.

Great also that you have had the stamina to stick with the videos.  Maybe you will be the one who will be able to separate the wheat from the chaff for us since conspiracy theories don’t seem to be your thing.

Look forward to your interpretation.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Bert Singe

Hello Bert Singe.

Great to see the forum attracting new blood.

Great also that you have had the stamina to stick with the videos.  Maybe you will be the one who will be able to separate the wheat from the chaff for us since conspiracy theories don’t seem to be your thing.

Look forward to your interpretation.

Hello Brietta.

I have just finished Part 3 and will attempt to find time to watch Part 4 this evening. I gather this is the one that touches more on conspiracy but I may be wrong? Have you watched the videos?


Offline Brietta

Hello Brietta.

I have just finished Part 3 and will attempt to find time to watch Part 4 this evening. I gather this is the one that touches more on conspiracy but I may be wrong? Have you watched the videos?

I reached 5:11 in the first video when he went big on the John Stalker selective quote.
Because it had been recommended I watched the fourth video until I hit the Clarence controlling the press myth, which was quite early in.
So I did try on the basis you can't discuss something you haven't bothered to watch; but I'm afraid that doesn't stretch to what I consider hogwash.

Good luck with the fourth one!
Let me know if his angle is selling tin foil hats ~ maybe he thinks there is a market for them out there.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Mr Gray

You're not answering the points about the 'FAKE ABDUCTION STORIES and CLARENCE MITCHELL', why is that ?

Secondly, it is very clear the mccanns had access to Blair and his wife, and of course Brown, not counting numerous other governmental 'assistance'.

How do you explain that ?

and do you seriously believe a husband and wife from a council estate would have received the 'HELP' the mccanns have been given.

If you do, then you are the clear fantasist and then some.

so his claim that Mitchell controls the press is not true and based on an error in translation

stephen25000

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Oh dear, you have not been reading my posts or you would know I have not. 

Which is why I was relying on you; but I see from your post it is all the same old ~ same old anyway; so no worries; I’m not missing a thing and I have four hours of my life more than you which I have put to something more enjoyable than watching a rehash of old lies and innuendo.

No lies, no innuendo, merely facts and some of his opinions.

You might wish to exercise common sense and watch number 4.

It would help.


stephen25000

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so his claim that Mitchell controls the press is not true and based on an error in translation

Briefly remind me of Mitchell's role in the Blair government ?