Author Topic: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.  (Read 182834 times)

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Offline Mr Gray

Re stranger abductions, they are like hens teeth.  If you look at the link on this very forum showing what British children are currently missing you will see that they have been abducted by a parent.

The link on the forum probably does not have ONE stranger abduction on there..they are all teenage runaways or parental abductions....you need to look again...stranger abduction of young children are extremely rare...FACT

stephen25000

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The link on the forum probably does not have ONE stranger abduction on there..they are all teenage runaways or parental abductions....you need to look again...stranger abduction of young children are extremely rare...FACT

So what ?

Need I remind you dave, it is still 'unknown' how Madeleine disappeared.

Offline Alice Purjorick

So Redwood is  giving credibility to the work of the PIs...what more do posters need
Redwood says: "drawing together information from three separate sources"
Davel reads and infers: "We are giving credibility to the work of the PIs"
Is there any evidence that NSY are following leads generated uniquely by the PI's ?
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Offline Mr Gray

Redwood says: "drawing together information from three separate sources"
Davel reads and infers: "We are giving credibility to the work of the PIs"
Is there any evidence that NSY are following leads generated uniquely by the PI's ?

there is evidence that SY are giving credibility to the PI information by the fact that they have mentioned three sources... I can see how much this bothers you and you try desperately to limit damage to your core beliefs..but SY  did not HAVE to mention the PIs...but they have...and by doing so they have given them credibility

Alfred R Jones

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Redwood says: "drawing together information from three separate sources"
Davel reads and infers: "We are giving credibility to the work of the PIs"
Is there any evidence that NSY are following leads generated uniquely by the PI's ?
If the work of the PIs was not credible why on earth would Redwood be drawing on their information?

Offline Brietta

Redwood says: "drawing together information from three separate sources"
Davel reads and infers: "We are giving credibility to the work of the PIs"
Is there any evidence that NSY are following leads generated uniquely by the PI's ?

“We are drawing together information from three separate sources,” says DCI Redwood. “The legal enforcement bodies within Portugal, the UK enforcement agencies of which the police are the main part, and also and unusually the private investigation world which as we know is an element that was used by Mr and Mrs McCann in the search for their daughter."http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/latestnews/2012/panorama-maddie.html

The same weight is being given to information from Portuguese cops as is being given to information from the Brits as is being given to the information from private investigators.
No leads are being followed in isolation to the exclusion of the other two sources and it would be the height of stupidity to do so.

No doubt that added to those three original sources will now be fresh leads compiled from the CW appeals.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Benice

Well Benice, you answer my last question and then I will answer yours.

If Madeleine did die in the apartment then I believe it was at the hands of a stranger - who then removed the body.

However,  would you agree that because no clear forensic evidence of an abductor was retrieved by PJ officers - that is not proof that it never existed?
The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

stephen25000

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If Madeleine did die in the apartment then I believe it was at the hands of a stranger - who then removed the body.

However,  would you agree that because no clear forensic evidence of an abductor was retrieved by PJ officers - that is not proof that it never existed?

A lack of evidence does not preclude several possibilities.

What makes you believe the abduction story Benice ?

I will give some of my reasons later after work why I don't.
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Offline Benice

A lack of evidence does not preclude several possibilities.

What makes you believe the abduction story Benice ?

I will give some of my reasons later after work why I don't.

Would you agree that just because clear evidence was not found -  that does not preclude the possibility that evidence of an abductor may have existed -   but could have been missed by the PJ officers, or was simply not  retrievable as a result of traffic through 5A before the forensics team arrived?

A simple yes or no would suffice.

The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

stephen25000

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Would you agree that just because clear evidence was not found -  that does not preclude the possibility that evidence of an abductor may have existed -   but could have been missed by the PJ officers, or was simply not  retrievable as a result of traffic through 5A before the forensics team arrived?

A simple yes or no would suffice.

Unfortunately, it's not as simple as a yes or no, but you know that, as you want to try and trap me into stating abduction is the likelt scenario, but NOTHING I have seen to date will convince me of that.

Now what do you precisely mean by clear evidence in this context ?

Fingerprints ?

The only ones identified were kate mccanns.

We only have the mccanns word the apartment was locked. They changed the story on that one as well.

The damaged crime scene, clearly contaminated by the mccanns and associates rummaging through the apartment ?

There in lies another question, if the mccanns believed Madeleine was abducted, why were they searching the apartment ?

Unless of course, that became part of the 'story' later.

 It doesn't make any sense.

The un-slept in bed ?

Why an 'abductor', why not more than one ?

Why take Madeleine, when her sister was younger and easier to carry ?

lastly for now, the dogs indications, after watching three programs today showing dogs at work, what I have seen of Grime's deployment of Eddie and Keela is par for the course, and watching a video of it and nit-picking which several posters on here and elsewhere are notorious for, is no substitute for being on the crime scene.

Offline Mr Gray

Unfortunately, it's not as simple as a yes or no, but you know that, as you want to try and trap me into stating abduction is the likelt scenario, but NOTHING I have seen to date will convince me of that.

Now what do you precisely mean by clear evidence in this context ?

Fingerprints ?

The only ones identified were kate mccanns.

We only have the mccanns word the apartment was locked. They changed the story on that one as well.

The damaged crime scene, clearly contaminated by the mccanns and associates rummaging through the apartment ?

There in lies another question, if the mccanns believed Madeleine was abducted, why were they searching the apartment ?

Unless of course, that became part of the 'story' later.

 It doesn't make any sense.

The un-slept in bed ?

Why an 'abductor', why not more than one ?

Why take Madeleine, when her sister was younger and easier to carry ?

lastly for now, the dogs indications, after watching three programs today showing dogs at work, what I have seen of Grime's deployment of Eddie and Keela is par for the course, and watching a video of it and nit-picking which several posters on here and elsewhere are notorious for, is no substitute for being on the crime scene.

because they were not 100% sure...the answers are so easy and obvious

Offline John

Has anyone considered why Hall introduced the speculation at the end suggesting that phone records somehow proved a meeting between Gerry and Robert when logic tells us that a meeting in a public place would be the very last thing that anyone would do had they been somehow involved?  After sitting through four hours of mostly boring repetition I found this quite bizarre.  Why ruin a reasonably well put together documentary by inserting something which was quite ridiculous and frankly too stupid a proposition for words?   &%+((£
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A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

stephen25000

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because they were not 100% sure...the answers are so easy and obvious

Really dave, how would you know what they were thinking ?

YOU WEREN'T THERE.

Offline Mr Gray

Really dave, how would you know what they were thinking ?

YOU WEREN'T THERE.

don't need to be there..its obvious

stephen25000

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Has anyone considered why Hall introduced the speculation at the end suggesting that phone records somehow proved a meeting between Gerry and Robert when logic tells us that a meeting in a public place would be the very last thing that anyone would do had they been somehow involved?  After sitting through four hours of mostly boring repetition I found this quite bizarre.  Why ruin a documentary by inserting something which was quite ridiculous?   &%+((£

Possibly.

However, one point which has never b een truly dealt with.

mccann was asked very simply if he knew Murat, and he avoided answering the question.

All he had to do was say 'yes'  or 'no'.
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