Author Topic: The suspicious Polish couple, their apartment in Burgau and DNA connection.  (Read 37376 times)

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Offline Miss Taken Identity

So if Amaral failed to follow up a very important lead why are SY not questioning him now ?

Better still, why not question him when they read all the report! at the beginning? He would have been my first port of call to clear up any misunderstanding.

Could Tannerman have passed the child onto Smith man?
'Never underestimate the power of stupid people'... George Carlin

Offline misty

The German police were supposed to get their photos but they didn't.

From today's article:-
*snipped*
"Mr Krokowski revealed that although Polish police officers quizzed the couple and searched their apartment and the home of his father, they never ­confiscated his camera or inspected his pictures."

Again, P/F - an inadequate excuse from Amaral, who clearly was not on the ball at all.



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Offline Miss Taken Identity

From today's article:-
*snipped*
"Mr Krokowski revealed that although Polish police officers quizzed the couple and searched their apartment and the home of his father, they never ­confiscated his camera or inspected his pictures."

Again, P/F - an inadequate excuse from Amaral, who clearly was not on the ball at all.



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Who was in possesion of this ball? Looks like it was the Polish police who messed up this one dilligance. Amaral, has no control over the Polish police or their justice system.  Just saying...

« Last Edit: October 25, 2015, 03:14:25 PM by Anna »
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Offline jassi

Who was in possesion of this ball? Looks like it was the Polish police who messed up this one dilligance. Amaral, has no control over the Polish police or their justice system.  Just saying...




I was thinking something similar. Also the Polish police where looking for evidence of a live child being brought into the country, hence the searching of the houses. Photographs may not have been of any interest to them.
« Last Edit: October 25, 2015, 03:15:16 PM by Anna »
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I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

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Offline Anna

Since the witness complained about this chap taking photos of his daughter, I would have thought that it was correct procedure to check this out. There could have been many reasons for him seeking a photo of a child who was blonde and blue eyed, or just children in general..Who knows?

As MTI has already pointed out there are reasons why he might have held his camera at waist height. Also with a top viewfinder this is where you would hold it, anyway.

My apologies if the statements below have already been posted on here.


Leicestershire Constabulary

From: Officer Waddington

To: DI Holden

Major Crime Intelligence Unit

Date: 8th May 2007

Subject: Polish Enquiries - Interpol Ref

Attached are a series of emails between Poland and SOCA regarding enquiries there.

In summary the identified Polish residents are:

A****** K********* J******** (female)

W******* K***** K****** (male)

Address: Warsaw

A***** is known to the police for an alcohol and drug driving offence in 2003 and obtaining property by deception. This means that there is a photograph and set of fingerprints attached from 2003.

They booked two seats over the internet on 25/03/2007 for flights from Berlin. They took seats 18 D or E, or 18C and D. Dates of travel however, have not been provided by investigators.

The reason for using Berlin airport is that there are no direct budget flights from Faro to Poland and this is a regular route by Polish travellers.

The couple were spoken to and deny any knowledge of Madeleine. Both their address and that of their parents was visited and there was no sign of any young child.

In addition the Polish authorities interviewed the passengers that were sitting next to them on the flight home. They confirm there was no child with them.

I have emailed a copy of this memo and the original emails to the Portuguese incident room.

Submitted for your information.


http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/NUNO_LOURENCO.htm
“You should not honour men more than truth.”
― Plato

Offline Eleanor

My apologies for putting my type into Misty's post I don't know how that happened.

Yes Jassi  interesting they were looking for a live child-playing that game of she can't be dead if she is- we can't get any money in the fund? or how that would affect their rep.

You didn't scroll down far enough to The Quote Word.


I hope I have misunderstood your post.  Otherwise it would be libellous.

Offline misty

Who was in possesion of this ball? Looks like it was the Polish police who messed up this one dilligance. Amaral, has no control over the Polish police or their justice system.  Just saying...

The Polish couple had left Portugal. They had the camera. Did Amaral neglect to ask Interpol to locate the camera?

Offline jassi

Why would they need the camera at that stage?

Wasn't it only the McCanns that wanted people's holiday pictures?
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

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Offline Alice Purjorick

The Polish couple had left Portugal. They had the camera. Did Amaral neglect to ask Interpol to locate the camera?


I doubt Interpol do that sort of thing.
Interpol
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Offline Miss Taken Identity

The Polish couple had left Portugal. They had the camera. Did Amaral neglect to ask Interpol to locate the camera?

You are on a road to nowhere on this one Misty,

181 to 191-Faxes and further information from Interpol regarding Polish couple

In the context of the investigation into the disappearance of the little British girl, Madeleine McCann, in Praia da Luz, during the night of May 3rd 2007, it is of vital concern for the investigation that the relevant authorities make enquiries about the citizens of Polish nationality, of whom the known details are, W.K., holder of Polish driving licence no. 6307...and xxxxxx K., partner of W.K., to find out if they have criminal records. They arrived at Faro airport on April 28th 2007 on flight Al32744 from Berlin and they left Faro, today, on Air Berlin flight AB2745. We also request information about the final destination of these two passengers.

The reason for the request is that those people were observed in Sagres having an unusual interest in a child very similar physically to the missing girl. They had stayed in an apartment in Burgau, a few kilometres away from the place of the disappearance. W.K. holds credit card number 5185 .... .... ....
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This and the rest is all in the link Anna stated. Amaral is not responsible for not getting the camera, and the 'suspect, has no issue of stating he takes photographs of people and landscapes as he is a designer. He has also stated he had no issue of handing over his camera. Does this make him innocent or guilty I don't know. But you can hardly blame this one on Amaral.
« Last Edit: October 25, 2015, 03:45:10 PM by Eleanor »
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Offline misty

You are on a road to nowhere on this one Misty,

181 to 191-Faxes and further information from Interpol regarding Polish couple

In the context of the investigation into the disappearance of the little British girl, Madeleine McCann, in Praia da Luz, during the night of May 3rd 2007, it is of vital concern for the investigation that the relevant authorities make enquiries about the citizens of Polish nationality, of whom the known details are, W.K., holder of Polish driving licence no. 6307...and xxxxxx K., partner of W.K., to find out if they have criminal records. They arrived at Faro airport on April 28th 2007 on flight Al32744 from Berlin and they left Faro, today, on Air Berlin flight AB2745. We also request information about the final destination of these two passengers.

The reason for the request is that those people were observed in Sagres having an unusual interest in a child very similar physically to the missing girl. They had stayed in an apartment in Burgau, a few kilometres away from the place of the disappearance. W.K. holds credit card number 5185 .... .... ....
*****************************************************************************************
This and the rest is all in the link Anna stated. Amaral is not responsible for not getting the camera, and the 'suspect, has no issue of stating he takes photographs of people and landscapes as he is a designer. He has also stated he had no issue of handing over his camera. Does this make him innocent or guilty I don't know. But you can hardly blame this one on Amaral.

So who asked the Polish police to search the home? No ILOR?

Offline jassi

So who asked the Polish police to search the home? No ILOR?

Perhaps the Polish police did it on their own authority to ensure that the missing child was being concealed there.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline misty

Perhaps the Polish police did it on their own authority to ensure that the missing child was being concealed there.

Really? How did the Polish police know where to look in the first place, and wouldn't they have required a warrant?
Certain people in Portugal seem to think Amaral is finally being vindicated for his annoyance at the camera not being confiscated.....
 https://t.co/kVKBXRAEjy

Apparently there is a big article in Nova Gente, so I will try to find that.

Offline jassi

Really? How did the Polish police know where to look in the first place, and wouldn't they have required a warrant?
Certain people in Portugal seem to think Amaral is finally being vindicated for his annoyance at the camera not being confiscated.....
 https://t.co/kVKBXRAEjy

Apparently there is a big article in Nova Gente, so I will try to find that.

They looked at the  address where the couple lived and would presumably only need a warrant if the couple  refused to allow the search.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline pathfinder73

From today's article:-
*snipped*
"Mr Krokowski revealed that although Polish police officers quizzed the couple and searched their apartment and the home of his father, they never ­confiscated his camera or inspected his pictures."

Again, P/F - an inadequate excuse from Amaral, who clearly was not on the ball at all.



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Amaral wanted to see the photos. Like he wanted background info on the McCanns and their friends which he didn't receive. Just blame him for everything if it makes you feel better. Anyway SY clearly don't have him as a prime suspect and he looks nothing like Smithman who had no car carrying the lookalike away.

In the book "Maddie Truth of the Lie" you mention a Polish lead and you say that it is a loose end…

GA: Nobody cares about that. We should have gone there or made a rogatory letter. They (Polish police) misunderstood the goal. They went looking for the child and we asked for an intervention to control them first. The issue was the photographs. The man never let go of the camera. We wanted to know what photographs were on the camera and if maybe there was one of Maddie.

Despite your theory that the girl died on that evening, wouldn't there be a possibility that this couple "dispatched" the child within a few hours?

GA: That is already speculation. We inspected the apartment where they were staying. Blood was even found inside the apartment and it was not Maddie's. We cannot forget that when we intervene, they are not in Portugal anymore.

Could you have gone further with this couple?

GA: We could. And if they were here in Portugal we could have done even more. But then the route of the investigation takes us elsewhere.
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.