Why didn't Bamber pay back the cash he robbed from the caravan park?

[Daisy]

Well we'll have to agree to disagree as I don't think JB is remotely high profile.  If someone stood on every High St on a busy Sat noon and asked 'Who's Jeremy Bamber' I bet less than 10% would know even taking into account different age groups. 

IMO his case knowledge is very low.  Hardly surprising when he doesn't have the tools to understand his case properly.  Plus whether he's guilty or innocent his mind must have gone somewhat after 32 years plus incarcerated.

I appreciate what you say. Give me a name of a high profile prisoner most people know. Posters please answer honestly if you know the person Holly names. Jeremy is the only person who understands his case. He was either there or he wasn’t.

[puglove]

I appreciate what you say. Give me a name of a high profile prisoner most people know. Posters please answer honestly if you know the person Holly names. Jeremy is the only person who understands his case. He was either there or he wasn’t.

I genuinely don't know anyone in "real life" who cares about Jeremy Bamber. They might have heard of him, if they're 50ish, but they don't have the remotest interest in supporting him because he is so blatantly guilty. The idea that Ralph called Bamber is ridiculous. He was either in a position to take the gun from Sheila, or he was too badly injured.

The sad fact is, many murderers have supporters. Huntley does, Bridger does, Philpott's son supports his dad. Even Brady had a supportive website.

[Holly Goodhead]

I appreciate what you say. Give me a name of a high profile prisoner most people know. Posters please answer honestly if you know the person Holly names. Jeremy is the only person who understands his case. He was either there or he wasn’t.

I would say most would know the names/crimes of the following:

Ian Brady
Myra Hindley
Ian Huntley
Peter Sutcliffe aka Yorkshire Ripper
Harold Shipman
Fred West
Rosemary West

I think you would still be surprised at the number who have no idea about the above.  A significant % of the population are either unable or unwilling to grasp anything out of their own small world.  Those that are able often lead busy lives and have blind faith in the judicial system being right.

Based on my correspondence with JB I found his case knowledge appalling.  He just waffles on about aspects that don't have a cat in hells chance of going anywhere.  Hardly surprising as he doesn't have access to the internet and/or forensic text books.

[Holly Goodhead]

It's not impossible for him to be suffering early onset dementia. It's not something which is likely to be made public knowledge. It might explain why he was telling people -some years ago- that he had "everything necessary" to clear his name (why would he say it if he didn't believe it to be true?) yet is now saying that 'stuff' which will clear his name is still being withheld. It may also explain his apparent confusion over which tests have been done and paid for and which have been done and are awaiting payment before being released?

I guess it's possible but I struggle to see how anyone can remain incarcerated for so long without some ill effect. 

[adam]

I genuinely don't know anyone in "real life" who cares about Jeremy Bamber. They might have heard of him, if they're 50ish, but they don't have the remotest interest in supporting him because he is so blatantly guilty. The idea that Ralph called Bamber is ridiculous. He was either in a position to take the gun from Sheila, or he was too badly injured.

The sad fact is, many murderers have supporters. Huntley does, Bridger does, Philpott's son supports his dad. Even Brady had a supportive website.

Obviously there is zero chance that Nevill would ever choose to call Bamber at 3.00am. 

There is then zero chance Nevill would wait several minutes for Bamber to wake, realise the phone is ringing, decide to answer it, then go downstairs.

There is zero chance Bamber would have turned his answering machine off when arriving home.

There is zero chance Nevill would say 8-11 words in 2/4 seconds when Bamber eventually answered. Then put the phone down & take it back off the hook.

[adam]

I am sure that deep sleepers would sleep through a ringing phone. Which is ringing downstairs, perhaps behind closed doors. I would.

I don't know if Bamber was a deep sleeper. However he did say when he went to bed that night he slept 'like a log'.

[Caroline]

Well we'll have to agree to disagree as I don't think JB is remotely high profile.  If someone stood on every High St on a busy Sat noon and asked 'Who's Jeremy Bamber' I bet less than 10% would know even taking into account different age groups. 

IMO his case knowledge is very low.  Hardly surprising when he doesn't have the tools to understand his case properly.  Plus whether he's guilty or innocent his mind must have gone somewhat after 32 years plus incarcerated.

Jeremy knows his case VERY well, he leads a lot of the dialogue. You've written to him?

[Holly Goodhead]

Jeremy knows his case VERY well, he leads a lot of the dialogue. You've written to him?

Yes I first wrote to JB around Jan/Feb 2012.  Thereafter I've written/emailed more than a dozen times but less than 2 dozen with about about the same quantity in return.  Length has varied from small notelets (unscented) to several A4 pages.  Aside from greeting cards I last exchanged case related communication around Spring 2016 but stopped writing about the case as I felt our views were so far apart there was little point.  A lot of his views seem aligned with Mike's and the CT all of whom I disagree with.   I also loathe with a passion all the blog stuff, bake-off and graveside reading.

[Daisy]

Jeremy knows his case VERY well, he leads a lot of the dialogue. You've written to him?

Very true. I have written, spoken at length on the phone and visited Jeremy many times. His mind is as sharp as a razor. In the visiting room he quoted case reference numbers, relevant dates etc and knows every detail. As for someone mentioning dementia that couldn’t be further from the truth. Holly quotes about Jeremy’s character and personality but hasn’t met him. Go and visit then you will see him for yourself. Please don’t make comments about his state of mind etc when you have no idea what he is like.

[APRIL]

Very true. I have written, spoken at length on the phone and visited Jeremy many times. His mind is as sharp as a razor. In the visiting room he quoted case reference numbers, relevant dates etc and knows every detail. As for someone mentioning dementia that couldn’t be further from the truth. Holly quotes about Jeremy’s character and personality but hasn’t met him. Go and visit then you will see him for yourself. Please don’t make comments about his state of mind etc when you have no idea what he is like.

Daisy, my actual words were "It's not impossible that he's suffering early onset dementia", a suggestion of possibility rather than a claim of fact, and as I've never met him and don't know it to be true, is as close as I can get. I find it hard to believe that anyone, incarcerated for that length of time, wouldn't suffer some sort of brain dysfunction -especially when they spend much of their time focused on a particular cause- but you say "his mind is as sharp as a razor". Others who have corresponded with him say that what he's told them about certain aspects of the case differs from what he's told other people.

[Caroline]

Yes I first wrote to JB around Jan/Feb 2012.  Thereafter I've written/emailed more than a dozen times but less than 2 dozen with about about the same quantity in return.  Length has varied from small notelets (unscented) to several A4 pages.  Aside from greeting cards I last exchanged case related communication around Spring 2016 but stopped writing about the case as I felt our views were so far apart there was little point.  A lot of his views seem aligned with Mike's and the CT all of whom I disagree with.   I also loathe with a passion all the blog stuff, bake-off and graveside reading.

That should tell you a great deal.

[Caroline]

Very true. I have written, spoken at length on the phone and visited Jeremy many times. His mind is as sharp as a razor. In the visiting room he quoted case reference numbers, relevant dates etc and knows every detail. As for someone mentioning dementia that couldn’t be further from the truth. Holly quotes about Jeremy’s character and personality but hasn’t met him. Go and visit then you will see him for yourself. Please don’t make comments about his state of mind etc when you have no idea what he is like.

Thanks for that Daisy, good to see you posting again :). I think Bamber is very much in control of where his case is going and what gets drip fed.

[Caroline]

Daisy, my actual words were "It's not impossible that he's suffering early onset dementia", a suggestion of possibility rather than a claim of fact, and as I've never met him and don't know it to be true, is as close as I can get. I find it hard to believe that anyone, incarcerated for that length of time, wouldn't suffer some sort of brain dysfunction -especially when they spend much of their time focused on a particular cause- but you say "his mind is as sharp as a razor". Others who have corresponded with him say that what he's told them about certain aspects of the case differs from what he's told other people.

He knows what he's going alright.

[Holly Goodhead]

Very true. I have written, spoken at length on the phone and visited Jeremy many times. His mind is as sharp as a razor. In the visiting room he quoted case reference numbers, relevant dates etc and knows every detail. As for someone mentioning dementia that couldn’t be further from the truth. Holly quotes about Jeremy’s character and personality but hasn’t met him. Go and visit then you will see him for yourself. Please don’t make comments about his state of mind etc when you have no idea what he is like.

How is JB's recall of case reference numbers, dates etc going to assist any future appeal?

JB has been incarcerated for over 32 years. He doesn't have access to the internet or forensic text books so I'm not really sure how he is able to help himself?  He seems to spend an inordinate amount of time poring over old docs which will never go anywhere.  Complete waste of time.  His trial was based on 20th century forensic science.

I'm not aware I've ever commented on JB's character/personality?  How would I know?  Even if I spent hours and hours in his company any views I might hold would be entirely subjective based on my interpretations and perceptions.

[Holly Goodhead]

That should tell you a great deal.

No not at all.  All I can say is that I share the same conclusion in that I believe JB's the victim of a MoJ.  Apart from this I disagree with much of what JB/Mike/CT advocate and I certainly disagree with how they go about it all.