Jeremy Bamber - Review of Whole Life Tariff - European Court

[Tim Invictus]

I agree John. Bamber knows that there can be no redemption for the premeditated execution of children in their sleep and purely to gain their inheritance. There is a very good argument that Bamber's stone cold cynical murders are worse than the likes of s..m like Huntley


The law obviously considers Bamber worse than Huntley as evidenced by his whole life tariff!


PS: Glad your lad is ok John! 

[puglove]

I think that Mike felt that he had a bit of a eureka moment when he thought that the wounds on Ralph's arm were caused by the gun without the silencer. Sadly, they were done with the sight. I too had a eureka moment, when I realised that there wasn't a single spot or speck of expirated blood on Sheila's face, thus proving that she never moved or was conscious after the first shot. My eureka moment was better.   

[Tim Invictus]

I think that Mike felt that he had a bit of a eureka moment when he thought that the wounds on Ralph's arm were caused by the gun without the silencer. Sadly, they were done with the sight. I too had a eureka moment, when I realised that there wasn't a single spot or speck of expirated blood on Sheila's face, thus proving that she never moved or was conscious after the first shot. My eureka moment was better.   

Eureka!

In all the discussions of Bamber there are numerous people who, having been exposed to the evidence, have moved from innocent to guilty! Only one person has moved from guilty to innocent; that person being one Mrs. Hall. Says it all really!

[John]

I agree John. Bamber knows that there can be no redemption for the premeditated execution of children in their sleep and purely to gain their inheritance. There is a very good argument that Bamber's stone cold cynical murders are worse than the likes of s..m like Huntley


The law obviously considers Bamber worse than Huntley as evidenced by his whole life tariff!


PS: Glad your lad is ok John! 

Thanks Tim, I'd hate to think what would have happened if he wasn't wearing his skull cap.   

These little incidents tend to bring you back to reality with a bump.  Shona mentioned one of her girls having a fall from a horse and it reminded me of an incident near me a few weeks ago when a young 11-year-old girl fell from her horse and the horse fell on her.  She was killed instantly...that must have been awful for her parents.

You cannot wrap the young uns up in cotton wool either.

[John]

I think that Mike felt that he had a bit of a eureka moment when he thought that the wounds on Ralph's arm were caused by the gun without the silencer. Sadly, they were done with the sight. I too had a eureka moment, when I realised that there wasn't a single spot or speck of expirated blood on Sheila's face, thus proving that she never moved or was conscious after the first shot. My eureka moment was better.   

Too right Shona, its quite a no-brainer.  I don't understand how Patti can't see through that rubbish though, she strikes me as an intelligent independent thinking lass.   8-)(--)

[John]

I think that Mike felt that he had a bit of a eureka moment when he thought that the wounds on Ralph's arm were caused by the gun without the silencer. Sadly, they were done with the sight. I too had a eureka moment, when I realised that there wasn't a single spot or speck of expirated blood on Sheila's face, thus proving that she never moved or was conscious after the first shot. My eureka moment was better.   

Eureka!

In all the discussions of Bamber there are numerous people who, having been exposed to the evidence, have moved from innocent to guilty! Only one person has moved from guilty to innocent; that person being one Mrs. Hall. Says it all really!

Will I let you into yet another little secret.  She told me on several occasions that she doesn't know if he is guilty or innocent.  She is just flying with the crows sort of speak.

[Tim Invictus]

Well each of the 3 witches needed their pet killer to stalk campaign for ... Bamber, Duane king and Simon Hall!
Steph had to change her mind to fit in with Miss P.

 8-)(--)

[John]

I find his lamenting in that blog to be rather disturbing.  I get the impression that the chickens have come home to roost at last.  He will have two court decisions over two consecutive days on the 28th and 29th November, both decisions have the potential to be life changing and he knows it.  If they both fail he knows that he will not get the chance again for a very long time.

[Tim Invictus]

I find his lamenting in that blog to be rather disturbing.  I get the impression that the chickens have come home to roost at last.  He will have two court decisions over two consecutive days on the 28th and 29th November, both decisions have the potential to be life changing and he knows it.  If they both fail he knows that he will not get the chance again for a very long time.

That will be two interesting days. I will be shocked if Bamber doesn't fail miserably as usual! Then on 3rd December hopefully the courts will finally send Shrien Dewani to South Africa to stand trial ... poor lad claims he is too depressed to stand trial. Awwwwww shame! I imagine most killers who get caught feel a little depressed ... do the right thing courts!

[John]

Looks like Bamber is stuffed if today's ruling on whole life tariff cases is anything to go by...

The Court of Appeal has upheld the principle of whole life sentences for the most dangerous of offenders, saying it does not breach human rights.

The Lord Chief Justice and four judges said jail without the possibility of release should be "reserved for the few exceptionally serious offences".

He said judges must be convinced those sentenced to whole life need to be held forever for punishment and retribution.

It comes a week before an appeal by Jeremy Bamber and two murderers.

Bamber and two others will be seeking to overturn their whole life tariffs at the Grand Chamber of the European Court of Human Rights.

The judgement effectively sends a signal to the Strasbourg judges that the courts in England and Wales are content that whole life tariffs are justified and that the power to jail someone forever should not be overturned.

Read more...

[ActualMat]

Ouch.

[John]

I think it would be safe to say that Bamber falls within the category of one of the most dangerous offenders given he murdered five members of his own family in cold blood including two 6-year-old kids as they slept.   

The threats he has made against his remaining family will undoubtedly keep him inside for many years to come.

[Tim Invictus]

Ouch.

It's so good to see justice being served! It happens so rarely these days but Bamber's case continues to be an exception!

 

[frank50]

Interesting you think Dewani is guilty - I tend to agree. Im not sure they are going to order him to go to South Africa though anytime soon. His depression is better but hes got PTSD. I have no sympathy for him and am certain that there is no conspiracy to protect South Africa's tourist industry as suggested in some quarters

Im also not sure what is going to happen in the Grand Chamber on Bamber. The European Court is quite
unpredictable and liberal at times. He could well win. Did you see that the Court of Appeal yesterday reaffirmed the principle of whole life tarrifs, delberately just ahead of the Grand Chamber hearing?

I find his lamenting in that blog to be rather disturbing.  I get the impression that the chickens have come home to roost at last.  He will have two court decisions over two consecutive days on the 28th and 29th November, both decisions have the potential to be life changing and he knows it.  If they both fail he knows that he will not get the chance again for a very long time.

That will be two interesting days. I will be shocked if Bamber doesn't fail miserably as usual! Then on 3rd December hopefully the courts will finally send Shrien Dewani to South Africa to stand trial ... poor lad claims he is too depressed to stand trial. Awwwwww shame! I imagine most killers who get caught feel a little depressed ... do the right thing courts!

[John]

I adjusted your post frank...you left off a [ bracket.

The Dewani affair is an interesting case.  Please tell me if I get this wrong but didn't the first two African guys state that he paid the to abduct them and shoot his wife while the third guy who was convicted recently has denied this?  We don't want to fall foul of any subjudice  rules by pre-empting the outcome.

I personally believe he should have returned to South Africa immediately if he had nothing to hide and his failure to do so says much about him. The illness is rather convenient as in many of these cases.

It could be that two of the Africans were in the know about the abduction while the third guy just happened to be with them.