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Offline puglove

Re: Jeremy Bamber - Review of Whole Life Tariff - European Court
« Reply #120 on: July 25, 2012, 11:14:30 AM »
If the Tesko forum are having a blitz, lookout had better lookout.


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Jeremy Bamber kicked Mike Tesko in the fanny.

Offline John

Re: Jeremy Bamber - Review of Whole Life Tariff - European Court
« Reply #121 on: November 17, 2012, 04:30:38 PM »
It's going to be a very busy end to November for Jeremy Bamber what with the Judicial Review due to be heard on the 29 November and the European Court deciding on his whole life tariff the day before.

Here is a little insight on how Bamber perceives his pitiful position in relation to dying in prison.



Friday, 16 November 2012

Whole Life Tariff Reviews: 'Hope for the future, however tenuous that hope may be.'

On the 28th of November 2012, the European Grand Chamber will hear the appeal against my whole life tariff along with two other cases, Vinter and Moore.


Firstly I need to clarify what this case is actually about. Many people have assumed that if my case in the Grand Chamber is won then my tariff would be put back down to the original 25 years set by the trial judge. This is not the case. What my legal team has applied for is for a review to be inserted into my mandatory whole life sentence.

It is my position that the UK Government is in breach of Article 3 and article 5 (4) of the European Convention on Human Rights by imposing a whole life sentence without review, this amounts to ?inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment.? But what does this actually mean?

In light of the January ruling that whole life tariff's are not in breach of human rights law, the only appropriate submission my legal team could make to the Grand Chamber is that there is no problem with a government applying a mandatory whole life sentence, but the breach of Human Rights Law lies within there being no mechanism for review of the prisoner's whole life sentence. It is then asserted, (and it is also my particular view) that a whole life order then becomes parallel with a death sentence. To order someone to die is to permanently exclude them from society and it then follows that to sentence a person to whole life imprisonment is also permanent social exclusion. Social death is a dimension of the slavery which replaced death in Classical society, and was and still is intrinsically linked to loss of liberty.   As I have stated many times, I have been sentenced to death by old age.

This leads us to the psychological state of those incarcerated for whole life without reviews. It has been clarified by psychologists including those assessing me that I am at continued risk of having depression brought about by the prolonged environment of prison.   I am in total agreement about life without hope, after all hope is what keeps the human spirit alive and without hope there is nothing.  For me, even with the insertion of a review there is still very little hope of release.  If the Grand Chamber rule to allow me to have reviews there is no knowing at what point a review could be placed, it might be at 30 or 40 years into a sentence.  As I have maintained innocence, there lies the other difficulty of reviewing my prison term in light of this. Because I have maintained innocence I have not taken part in any rehabilitation programmes and neither can I be viewed as a prisoner who has gained atonement. The judiciary and review boards see me as being in denial of guilt. So when the European Court of Human Rights ruled against my appeal at Strasbourg in January 2012, the three dissenting judges emphasised that Article 3 was being infringed and their words rang true for me, "equally importantly depriving him of any hope for the future, however tenuous that hope may be." Tenuous, really is how I feel about this ruling even if we win in the Grand Chamber.  After this digression, nevertheless the argument my lawyers have put forward is that this treatment, taking into account psychological effects does amount to inhuman and degrading treatment.
To this I have to agree wholeheartedly, respect for "hope" an essential dimension of human dignity does underpin the protection of human rights. 

In the USA and China the death penalty still exists in contrast to Canada where there is no death penalty and no whole life sentencing. The USA, similarly to England and Wales currently has the sentence of "Life Without Parole" (LWOP) and in Florida the US Supreme Court commented broadly on the destructive impact of this sentence, "It deprives the convict of the most basic liberties without giving hope of restoration."

If you have always felt that England and Wales are soft on sentencing then think again because the statistics show otherwise. The position is that all majority state parties of Europe rule that life sentences must have reviews.  Only England and Wales and Hungary have an authentically irreducible whole life sentence,  England and Wales with almost 21 times more life sentenced prisoners than any other single European country and we currently have more whole life sentence prisoners than all of Europe put together.  The first whole life tariff in the UK was set in 1988, and in 2003 reviews at executive discretion for these prisoners was abolished (under a Labour government).  Although Scotland's sentencing is generally similar to England and Wales their human rights laws were brought into line with Europe at the time of the devolution of powers.

Whole life tariff prisoners cannot be subject to a prerogative pardon. The only mechanism for release of a prisoner (other than to overturn their conviction) on a whole life sentence in England and Wales is granted in exceptional circumstances, where the prisoner is medically incapacitated with death to occur within 3 months and no life sentence prisoner has ever been released under this or any other power in England and Wales. This exception compounds the view that a whole life sentence is literally a death sentence.

As I am not guilty of the crimes I have been convicted of carrying out, where do I fit in all of this?  Currently the only avenue to appeal is through the politically controlled quango of the Criminal Cases Review Commission. When this avenue is exhausted because the commission has usurped the role of the appeal courts and is in violation of the Criminal Appeals Act 1995, and non disclosure of evidential materials still prevails, surely this is a violation of both Article 3 and 5(4) of European Human Rights Law, and should be taken into consideration when assessing whole life sentences.  As crime is intrinsically tied to sentencing it is axiomatic that the problem of Miscarriage of Justice cases could be expanded within this framework simply because a Miscarriage of Justice in UK law does not allow for innocence but only a "miscarriage of due process."

If we are to believe the statistics quoted by Dr Michael Naughton as opposed to the Government's 'massaged figures' we face a very worrying situation indeed. Naughton reveals that there are no less than 18 convictions a day over turned in the UK which is an astonishing figure warranting a full review of the causes of wrongful convictions.   Indeed, Naughton himself states:  "miscarriages of justice as understood from the perspective of the legal system are not the exception to the rule, rather they are a routine and even mundane feature of the criminal justice process."

It is of course, with my own conviction and these statistics in mind when I consider what a whole life sentence means to the individuals living a 'social death' as I do each day.  But whatever happens on the 28th of November this year it will make little difference to my current life, release for me with my conviction intact means no life at all.  There is only one freedom and one hope for me and that is that the truth of my innocence will be heard in a court of Law allowing me the liberty I have been fighting for.

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« Last Edit: November 17, 2012, 05:33:57 PM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline frank50

Re: Jeremy Bamber - Review of Whole Life Tariff - European Court
« Reply #122 on: November 17, 2012, 04:53:05 PM »
Well, even if he wins in the European Court ( and it wouldnt surprise me if he did) the Uk authorities wont be letting him out anyway so its irrelevant.  Of more relevance is his JR - cant wait for that one: its in the diary!.

Offline John

Re: Jeremy Bamber - Review of Whole Life Tariff - European Court
« Reply #123 on: November 17, 2012, 05:42:36 PM »
As I sit here in a Belfast A&E, I have had a chance to read Bambers blog a few times and I can see that he really is feeling sorry for himself as the two most important days in his legal calender approach.  What exactly does Jeremy want?

Does he want to be exonerated for a most dreadful crime which he committed in haste and with greed in his heart.  It appears to me that he doesn't want released for as long as his conviction endures.  So why bother with the ECHR at all?
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline ActualMat

Re: Jeremy Bamber - Review of Whole Life Tariff - European Court
« Reply #124 on: November 17, 2012, 06:18:00 PM »
As I sit here in a Belfast A&E, I have had a chance to read Bambers blog a few times and I can see that he really is feeling sorry for himself as the two most important days in his legal calender approach.  What exactly does Jeremy want?

Does he want to be exonerated for a most dreadful crime which he committed in haste and with greed in his heart.  It appears to me that he doesn't want released for as long as his conviction endures.  So why bother with the ECHR at all?

Desperate man, John. Always good to have a back-up plan. I think the fact that he's gonig after the ECHR as much as he is... shows that he is well aware he won't be getting out due to any appeal.

Offline goatboy

Re: Jeremy Bamber - Review of Whole Life Tariff - European Court
« Reply #125 on: November 17, 2012, 06:36:48 PM »
Surely the point of prison is to deprive one of one's liberty? That is why it's a punishment. Far greater than the death penalty in my opinion. This proves that prisoners do suffer by being locked up and that prison is far from the "cushy holiday camp" it is often perceived to be by some. In a way they suffer more than they would be being sentenced to death, as at least with a death sentence the punishment is not drawn out for a long period of time.

A minor point but if he doesn't like prison maybe he shouldn't have murdered five people?

Offline puglove

Re: Jeremy Bamber - Review of Whole Life Tariff - European Court
« Reply #126 on: November 17, 2012, 07:14:36 PM »
As I sit here in a Belfast A&E, I have had a chance to read Bambers blog a few times and I can see that he really is feeling sorry for himself as the two most important days in his legal calender approach.  What exactly does Jeremy want?

Does he want to be exonerated for a most dreadful crime which he committed in haste and with greed in his heart.  It appears to me that he doesn't want released for as long as his conviction endures.  So why bother with the ECHR at all?

I wonder who writes that stuff for him? At least he doesn't sanction the cobblers about a police officer shooting Sheila. And she very obviously didn't shoot herself....

I'm sorry to hear that you're in A and E, John. I hope everyone is OK.
Jeremy Bamber kicked Mike Tesko in the fanny.

Offline John

Re: Jeremy Bamber - Review of Whole Life Tariff - European Court
« Reply #127 on: November 17, 2012, 10:51:29 PM »
As I sit here in a Belfast A&E, I have had a chance to read Bambers blog a few times and I can see that he really is feeling sorry for himself as the two most important days in his legal calender approach.  What exactly does Jeremy want?

Does he want to be exonerated for a most dreadful crime which he committed in haste and with greed in his heart.  It appears to me that he doesn't want released for as long as his conviction endures.  So why bother with the ECHR at all?

I wonder who writes that stuff for him? At least he doesn't sanction the cobblers about a police officer shooting Sheila. And she very obviously didn't shoot herself....

I'm sorry to hear that you're in A and E, John. I hope everyone is OK.

I have always wondered that too Shona.  The language just doesn't sound like something Bamber would write.  I have a suspicion he sends out a draft and someone improves it.  They mustn't be very good though as there were words missing.  I improved the copy I posted.

Re the A&E, I ran over a Blumpkin pie this morning and had to give it first aid before taking it to hospital.  No, actually my youngest had a head-on collision in an away schools rugby match and was taken to hospital.  I had to drive there and sit with him most of the day.  He's ok but a bit concussed.  The joys of single parenthood.
« Last Edit: November 17, 2012, 10:54:23 PM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline puglove

Re: Jeremy Bamber - Review of Whole Life Tariff - European Court
« Reply #128 on: November 17, 2012, 10:58:57 PM »
As I sit here in a Belfast A&E, I have had a chance to read Bambers blog a few times and I can see that he really is feeling sorry for himself as the two most important days in his legal calender approach.  What exactly does Jeremy want?

Does he want to be exonerated for a most dreadful crime which he committed in haste and with greed in his heart.  It appears to me that he doesn't want released for as long as his conviction endures.  So why bother with the ECHR at all?

I wonder who writes that stuff for him? At least he doesn't sanction the cobblers about a police officer shooting Sheila. And she very obviously didn't shoot herself....

I'm sorry to hear that you're in A and E, John. I hope everyone is OK.

I have always wondered that too Shona.  The language just doesn't sould like something Bamber could write.  I have a suspicion he sends out a draft and someone improves it.  They mustn't be very good though as there were words missing.  I improved the copy I posted.

Re the A&E, I ran over a Blumpkin pie this morning and had to give it first aid before taking it to hospital.  No, actually my youngest had a head-on collision in an away schools rugby match and was taken to hospital.  I had to drive there and sit with him most of the day.  He's ok but a bit concussed.  The joys of single parenthood.

I'm guessing you haven't googled blumpkin pie, John!! I'm glad your youngest is OK. I've spent far too many yonks in various A and Es, with daughters who have come croppers off ponies. And once with one who was knocked over by 2 whippets and brained herself. We sat for 5 hours on a Friday night, waiting to be seen, with a lump on her head the size of an Easter egg, till a little drunk woman came in shouting that she'd got a bomb in her handbag, so we went home. The joys of Birmingham.
Jeremy Bamber kicked Mike Tesko in the fanny.

Offline ActualMat

Re: Jeremy Bamber - Review of Whole Life Tariff - European Court
« Reply #129 on: November 17, 2012, 11:59:43 PM »
As I sit here in a Belfast A&E, I have had a chance to read Bambers blog a few times and I can see that he really is feeling sorry for himself as the two most important days in his legal calender approach.  What exactly does Jeremy want?

Does he want to be exonerated for a most dreadful crime which he committed in haste and with greed in his heart.  It appears to me that he doesn't want released for as long as his conviction endures.  So why bother with the ECHR at all?

I wonder who writes that stuff for him? At least he doesn't sanction the cobblers about a police officer shooting Sheila. And she very obviously didn't shoot herself....

I'm sorry to hear that you're in A and E, John. I hope everyone is OK.

I have always wondered that too Shona.  The language just doesn't sound like something Bamber would write.  I have a suspicion he sends out a draft and someone improves it.  They mustn't be very good though as there were words missing.  I improved the copy I posted.

Re the A&E, I ran over a Blumpkin pie this morning and had to give it first aid before taking it to hospital.  No, actually my youngest had a head-on collision in an away schools rugby match and was taken to hospital.  I had to drive there and sit with him most of the day.  He's ok but a bit concussed.  The joys of single parenthood.

Scary stuff, John! Glad he is okay.

Offline goatboy

Re: Jeremy Bamber - Review of Whole Life Tariff - European Court
« Reply #130 on: November 18, 2012, 08:19:47 PM »
The blue forum have been parrotting the same old sentiments about the fact that MOJ's can and do occur therefore it is possible that Bamber's case is a MOJ. I do accept that in some high profile murder cases there have been people who have been wrongly imprisoned. However, the reason why this has happened in my opinion is because police are under pressure to get a result quickly. The general public want to feel safe and they do not feel safe when a murderer is known to be on the loose. However, in Bamber's case there was no reason at all to go after him to make the public feel safe. Didn't the murder scene clearly suggest what had happened and that the murderer had committed suicide?

Offline frank50

Re: Jeremy Bamber - Review of Whole Life Tariff - European Court
« Reply #131 on: November 18, 2012, 08:44:12 PM »
He is still deluded enough to think that his conviction may be quashed anytime soon. If the JR is thrown out in 10 day's time ( I assume he wont try to appeal it to the Court of Appeal), McKay will probably ditch him. Then (and only then) will Bamber realise the games up and his best option ( assuming he wins in Europe) is to admit to the crime.

As I sit here in a Belfast A&E, I have had a chance to read Bambers blog a few times and I can see that he really is feeling sorry for himself as the two most important days in his legal calender approach.  What exactly does Jeremy want?

Does he want to be exonerated for a most dreadful crime which he committed in haste and with greed in his heart.  It appears to me that he doesn't want released for as long as his conviction endures.  So why bother with the ECHR at all?

Offline puglove

Re: Jeremy Bamber - Review of Whole Life Tariff - European Court
« Reply #132 on: November 18, 2012, 09:01:06 PM »
He is still deluded enough to think that his conviction may be quashed anytime soon. If the JR is thrown out in 10 day's time ( I assume he wont try to appeal it to the Court of Appeal), McKay will probably ditch him. Then (and only then) will Bamber realise the games up and his best option ( assuming he wins in Europe) is to admit to the crime.

As I sit here in a Belfast A&E, I have had a chance to read Bambers blog a few times and I can see that he really is feeling sorry for himself as the two most important days in his legal calender approach.  What exactly does Jeremy want?

Does he want to be exonerated for a most dreadful crime which he committed in haste and with greed in his heart.  It appears to me that he doesn't want released for as long as his conviction endures.  So why bother with the ECHR at all?

What a choice though, Frank. The life he has now, or admitting once and for all that he murdered Daniel and Nicholas, and living the last few years of his life even more despised than he is now.
Jeremy Bamber kicked Mike Tesko in the fanny.

Offline John

Re: Jeremy Bamber - Review of Whole Life Tariff - European Court
« Reply #133 on: November 18, 2012, 09:41:26 PM »
The blue forum have been parrotting the same old sentiments about the fact that MOJ's can and do occur therefore it is possible that Bamber's case is a MOJ. I do accept that in some high profile murder cases there have been people who have been wrongly imprisoned. However, the reason why this has happened in my opinion is because police are under pressure to get a result quickly. The general public want to feel safe and they do not feel safe when a murderer is known to be on the loose. However, in Bamber's case there was no reason at all to go after him to make the public feel safe. Didn't the murder scene clearly suggest what had happened and that the murderer had committed suicide?

Yes and there was no reason for the police to go after Jeremy.  After all, four murders and a suicide would have been a nice clean cut result, no tail ends nobody to complain that they had been wrongly convicted.
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline John

Re: Jeremy Bamber - Review of Whole Life Tariff - European Court
« Reply #134 on: November 18, 2012, 09:44:35 PM »
He is still deluded enough to think that his conviction may be quashed anytime soon. If the JR is thrown out in 10 day's time ( I assume he wont try to appeal it to the Court of Appeal), McKay will probably ditch him. Then (and only then) will Bamber realise the games up and his best option ( assuming he wins in Europe) is to admit to the crime.

As I sit here in a Belfast A&E, I have had a chance to read Bambers blog a few times and I can see that he really is feeling sorry for himself as the two most important days in his legal calender approach.  What exactly does Jeremy want?

Does he want to be exonerated for a most dreadful crime which he committed in haste and with greed in his heart.  It appears to me that he doesn't want released for as long as his conviction endures.  So why bother with the ECHR at all?

I don't think he has the bottle to admit to it now frank, he would lose all those hangers-on which he cares so much about and then he would have nobody.  Reading between the lines of that blog which I sat and read on my Blackberry yesterday he is determined to see it through to the end.
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.