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Offline Matthew Wyse

Re: Jeremy Bamber - Review of Whole Life Tariff - European Court
« Reply #165 on: November 27, 2012, 06:26:24 PM »
There wont be a judgment tomorrow - it will be reserved to a future date. It may be on the ECtHR webiste live - many cases are broadcast live on the web.

Don't forget everyone...as if you would!   @)(++(*

The Grand Chamber of the European Court will make a final decision on the whole life tariff issue tomorrow.  Here's hoping sense will prevail and that June, Nevill, Sheila, Daniel and Nicholas get justice.

I didn't realise that Frank I thought they had already done the deliberating part and it was just a decision session.
Most people suspect the truth but few are able to admit it.

Offline Tim Invictus

Re: Jeremy Bamber - Review of Whole Life Tariff - European Court
« Reply #166 on: November 27, 2012, 06:33:48 PM »
Don't forget everyone...as if you would!   @)(++(*

The Grand Chamber of the European Court will make a final decision on the whole life tariff issue tomorrow.  Here's hoping sense will prevail and that June, Nevill, Sheila, Daniel and Nicholas get justice.

There is little to worry about. My understanding is that Bamber and the other killers are challenging the fact there no reviews of Whole Life Tariffs once they have been imposed. They are just trying to get periodic reviews mandatory and in my opinion there is next to no chance of them being successful!

Fingers crossed though eh Dave!

Offline Admin

Re: Jeremy Bamber - Review of Whole Life Tariff - European Court
« Reply #167 on: November 27, 2012, 06:36:06 PM »
On  28  November  2012  at  9.15  a.m:  Grand  Chamber  hearing  in  the
case  Vinter  and  Others  v.  the  United  Kingdom  (nos.  66069/09,
130/10 and 3896/10)
The  applicants,  Douglas  Gary  Vinter,  Jeremy  Neville  Bamber  and  Peter  Howard  Moore,
are  British  nationals  who  were  born  in  1969,  1961  and  1946  respectively.  All  three  men
are currently serving sentences of life imprisonment for murder
Mr  Vinter  was  convicted  of  stabbing  his  wife  in  February  2008,  having  already  been
convicted  of  murdering  a  work  colleague  in  1996.  Mr  Bamber  was  convicted  of  shooting
and  killing  his  adoptive  parents,  sister  and  her  two  young  children  in  August  1985.
Mr Moore  was  convicted  of  stabbing  four  men  with  a  large  combat  knife  between
September  and  December  1995.  When  convicted  the  applicants  were  given  whole  life
orders, meaning they cannot be released  other than at the discretion  of the Secretary of
State  on  compassionate  grounds  (for  example,  if  they  are  terminally  ill  or  seriously
incapacitated).
Relying  in  particular  on  Article  3  (prohibition  of  inhuman  or  degrading  treatment)  of  the
European  Convention  on  Human  Rights,  all  three  applicants  complain  that  their
imprisonment  without  hope  of  release  is  cruel  and  amounts  to  inhuman  and  degrading
treatment.
The applications were lodged with the European Court of Human Rights on 11 December
2009,  17  December  2009  and  6  January  2010,  respectively.  In  its  judgment  of  17
January 2012, the Court held, by four votes to three, that there had been no violation of
Article 3 of the Convention. The case (covering all three joined applications) was referred
to the Grand Chamber at the request of all three applicants.


http://hudoc.echr.coe.int/sites/fra/pages/search.aspx?i=001-108610#
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Offline Admin

Re: Jeremy Bamber - Review of Whole Life Tariff - European Court
« Reply #168 on: November 27, 2012, 06:39:48 PM »
Remember that the hearing starts at 8.15am UK time.

Video: Admissibility to the ECHR.

Council of Europe - Live Web TV
« Last Edit: November 27, 2012, 06:52:29 PM by Admin »

Offline Admin

Re: Jeremy Bamber - Review of Whole Life Tariff - European Court
« Reply #169 on: November 27, 2012, 06:48:57 PM »
In a nutshell this is what Jeremy Bamber is contesting.

In  the  case  of  Mr  Bamber,  the  High  Court  concluded  that,  given  the  number  of  murders
involved,  the  presence  of  premeditation,  the  submissions  by  the  victims’  next-of-kin  as
well  as  reports  on  the  behaviour  and  progress  he  had  made  in  prison,  there  was  no
reason  to  depart  from  the  view  held  in  1988  by  the  Lord  Chief  of  Justice  and  the
Secretary of State that he should never be released.


Offline Tim Invictus

Re: Jeremy Bamber - Review of Whole Life Tariff - European Court
« Reply #170 on: November 27, 2012, 10:02:28 PM »
In a nutshell this is what Jeremy Bamber is contesting.

In  the  case  of  Mr  Bamber,  the  High  Court  concluded  that,  given  the  number  of  murders
involved,  the  presence  of  premeditation,  the  submissions  by  the  victims’  next-of-kin  as
well  as  reports  on  the  behaviour  and  progress  he  had  made  in  prison,  there  was  no
reason  to  depart  from  the  view  held  in  1988  by  the  Lord  Chief  of  Justice  and  the
Secretary of State that he should never be released.

Does that mean that the Lord Chief of Justice and Secretary of State (Home Secretary?) decided ion 1988 that Bamber deserved a whole life tarrif but only actually informed Bamber in 1994? Strange!

Offline puglove

Re: Jeremy Bamber - Review of Whole Life Tariff - European Court
« Reply #171 on: November 27, 2012, 11:13:36 PM »
In a nutshell this is what Jeremy Bamber is contesting.

In  the  case  of  Mr  Bamber,  the  High  Court  concluded  that,  given  the  number  of  murders
involved,  the  presence  of  premeditation,  the  submissions  by  the  victims’  next-of-kin  as
well  as  reports  on  the  behaviour  and  progress  he  had  made  in  prison,  there  was  no
reason  to  depart  from  the  view  held  in  1988  by  the  Lord  Chief  of  Justice  and  the
Secretary of State that he should never be released.

Does that mean that the Lord Chief of Justice and Secretary of State (Home Secretary?) decided ion 1988 that Bamber deserved a whole life tarrif but only actually informed Bamber in 1994? Strange!

Bamber's blog, obviously written by someone who paid a bit more attention at school, states "without hope there is nothing." The usual self-serving slop. What hope did he afford those two sleeping six year old boys when he coldly executed them? Roll on justice unfolding.
Jeremy Bamber kicked Mike Tesko in the fanny.

Offline John

Re: Jeremy Bamber - Review of Whole Life Tariff - European Court
« Reply #172 on: November 28, 2012, 02:23:11 PM »
The decision by the European Court of Human Rights isn't expected until next year at the earliest.  How long does it take to say "NON" ?
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Tim Invictus

Re: Jeremy Bamber - Review of Whole Life Tariff - European Court
« Reply #173 on: November 28, 2012, 06:14:56 PM »
Hearing details for tomorrow's JR . Sir John Thomas is President of the Queens Bench Division - quite tough. Dont know Globe.
___________________________________________
 COURT 3
Before SIR JOHN THOMAS PQBD and MR JUSTICE GLOBE
Thursday 29 November, 2012
At  half past 10
Applications for Permission
CO/6487/2012 The Queen on the application of Bamber v Criminal Cases Review Commission

Is the judge's rejection decision expected tomorrow?

Offline frank50

Re: Jeremy Bamber - Review of Whole Life Tariff - European Court
« Reply #174 on: November 28, 2012, 06:20:37 PM »
Very likely, yes. If they are dealing with permission they normally decide on the day.

Hearing details for tomorrow's JR . Sir John Thomas is President of the Queens Bench Division - quite tough. Dont know Globe.
___________________________________________
 COURT 3
Before SIR JOHN THOMAS PQBD and MR JUSTICE GLOBE
Thursday 29 November, 2012
At  half past 10
Applications for Permission
CO/6487/2012 The Queen on the application of Bamber v Criminal Cases Review Commission

Is the judge's rejection decision expected tomorrow?

Offline John

Re: Jeremy Bamber - Review of Whole Life Tariff - European Court
« Reply #175 on: November 28, 2012, 10:50:34 PM »
Very likely, yes. If they are dealing with permission they normally decide on the day.

Hearing details for tomorrow's JR . Sir John Thomas is President of the Queens Bench Division - quite tough. Dont know Globe.
___________________________________________
 COURT 3
Before SIR JOHN THOMAS PQBD and MR JUSTICE GLOBE
Thursday 29 November, 2012
At  half past 10
Applications for Permission
CO/6487/2012 The Queen on the application of Bamber v Criminal Cases Review Commission

Is the judge's rejection decision expected tomorrow?

Should be quite a day then all in all!   8((()*/
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Matthew Wyse

Re: Jeremy Bamber - Review of Whole Life Tariff - European Court
« Reply #176 on: November 29, 2012, 02:08:36 AM »
Very likely, yes. If they are dealing with permission they normally decide on the day.

Hearing details for tomorrow's JR . Sir John Thomas is President of the Queens Bench Division - quite tough. Dont know Globe.
___________________________________________
 COURT 3
Before SIR JOHN THOMAS PQBD and MR JUSTICE GLOBE
Thursday 29 November, 2012
At  half past 10
Applications for Permission
CO/6487/2012 The Queen on the application of Bamber v Criminal Cases Review Commission

Is the judge's rejection decision expected tomorrow?

Should be quite a day then all in all!   8((()*/


Looks like tomorrow will see an end to it and about time too in my opinion.  This farce has gone on for over 27 years so it is only right that it is ended now. 
Most people suspect the truth but few are able to admit it.

Dillon

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Re: Jeremy Bamber - Review of Whole Life Tariff - European Court
« Reply #177 on: November 29, 2012, 07:50:35 AM »
Very likely, yes. If they are dealing with permission they normally decide on the day.

Hearing details for tomorrow's JR . Sir John Thomas is President of the Queens Bench Division - quite tough. Dont know Globe.
___________________________________________
 COURT 3
Before SIR JOHN THOMAS PQBD and MR JUSTICE GLOBE
Thursday 29 November, 2012
At  half past 10
Applications for Permission
CO/6487/2012 The Queen on the application of Bamber v Criminal Cases Review Commission

Is the judge's rejection decision expected tomorrow?

Should be quite a day then all in all!   8((()*/


Looks like tomorrow will see an end to it and about time too in my opinion.  This farce has gone on for over 27 years so it is only right that it is ended now. 

For what it is worth, IMO there is a fair chance that the European Court will make a decision which will require the UK Government to introduce procedures to review whole life sentences. I do not think that this will benefit Bamber very much though in the foreseeable future.
The current UK Government hates interference by the ECHR and if anything a favourable judgement might prove counterproductive for Bamber, Vintner and Moore. As for today's hearing for Bamber's JR application, I will be amazed if the decision is to Bamber's benefit and will make a generous donation to a children's charity in memory of the 6 year old twins he slaughtered if it is allowed. Even then, at the end of the day I am pretty confident that the CCRC will stick to its decision even if compelled to review their procedures. So, Mr Bamber would be well advised to order his Christmas prison menu for 2012 and 13 and ,,,,, 
« Last Edit: November 29, 2012, 07:55:19 AM by Dillon »

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Re: Jeremy Bamber - Review of Whole Life Tariff - European Court
« Reply #178 on: November 29, 2012, 07:54:01 AM »
I watched this a while ago, it's gone from You Tube, it only looks like clips can be watched now though.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01dk5s9

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Re: Jeremy Bamber - Review of Whole Life Tariff - European Court
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