Three Door Moves

[Alfred R Jones]

According to some on this forum the case hinges on three door moves (pardon the pun).  These are presumably three varying descriptions of the position of the door to Madeleine's bedroom in the witness statements, witnesses who have already been written off by the same people as unreliable at best, bare faced liars at worst.  Can you people really envisage justice being brought to bear on the McCanns based in part on their descriptions regarding the exact door position that night?  Is this the killer piece of evidence the police have been overlooking for the last 7 years?

[slartibartfast]

According to some on this forum the case hinges on three door moves (pardon the pun).  These are presumably three varying descriptions of the position of the door to Madeleine's bedroom in the witness statements, witnesses who have already been written off by the same people as unreliable at best, bare faced liars at worst.  Can you people really envisage justice being brought to bear on the McCanns based in part on their descriptions regarding the exact door position that night?  Is this the killer piece of evidence the police have been overlooking for the last 7 years?

Nope, just something to add to the probability equation.

[Alfred R Jones]

Nope, just something to add to the probability equation.

And that means what, exactly?

[pathfinder73]

According to some on this forum the case hinges on three door moves (pardon the pun).  These are presumably three varying descriptions of the position of the door to Madeleine's bedroom in the witness statements, witnesses who have already been written off by the same people as unreliable at best, bare faced liars at worst.  Can you people really envisage justice being brought to bear on the McCanns based in part on their descriptions regarding the exact door position that night?  Is this the killer piece of evidence the police have been overlooking for the last 7 years?

8:30 ajar

9 half-open (first move)

Moved back to ajar

9:30 half-open (second move)

9:52 wide open (third move)

A door that never moved. My theory is it was always half-open as Matt found it. Not even a draught in that apartment according to Matt who wasn't supposed to do that check. His check was unforeseen  &%+((£

[Wonderfulspam]

8:30 ajar

9 half-open (first move)

Moved back to ajar

9:30 half-open (second move)

9:52 wide open (third move)

A door that never moved. It was always half-open as Matt found it. Not even a draught in that apartment according to Matt who wasn't supposed to do that check. His check was unforeseen  &%+((£

Gerry does his first visual check of the week, because that door had moved.

Kate wouldn't have looked in if not for the door having been moved.

The first heavy draught of the week perhaps, that fell still again for Matt ?

[Eleanor]

It wasn't three times, it was twice. 

First time when Gerry checked at nine-ish.  He pulled it to.

Second time when Matt checked.  He didn't alter the position of the door.

So when Kate checked it was as Matt had left it.

This could be explained by the abductor hiding in the apartment when Gerry checked and pulled the door to, and the abductor then opening it again when he left, and before Matt checked.

[Alfred R Jones]

8:30 ajar

9 half-open (first move)

Moved back to ajar

9:30 half-open (second move)

9:52 wide open (third move)

A door that never moved. My theory is it was always half-open as Matt found it. Not even a draught in that apartment according to Matt who wasn't supposed to do that check. His check was unforeseen  &%+((£

Would you care to tell us the difference between half open and ajar?

[Brietta]

According to some on this forum the case hinges on three door moves (pardon the pun).  These are presumably three varying descriptions of the position of the door to Madeleine's bedroom in the witness statements, witnesses who have already been written off by the same people as unreliable at best, bare faced liars at worst.  Can you people really envisage justice being brought to bear on the McCanns based in part on their descriptions regarding the exact door position that night?  Is this the killer piece of evidence the police have been overlooking for the last 7 years?

Nothing wrong with the pun Alfred … as puns go it is excellent.   

Don’t know if “the three door moves” is the “smoking gun” which has been eagerly anticipated for years.

Or could it be the missing “Ace up the sleeve”?  Don't hear much about those shibboleths these days do we?

Ahhh ... but what have we here?  Mind boggling that the significance of ‘the three door moves’ has been overlooked for so long. 

Now there is a real mystery ... ... ... is there?

[Wonderfulspam]

It wasn't three times, it was twice. 

First time when Gerry checked at nine-ish.  He pulled it to.

Second time when Matt checked.  He didn't alter the position of the door.

So when Kate checked it was as Matt had left it.

This could be explained by the abductor hiding in the apartment when Gerry checked and pulled the door to, and the abductor then opening it again when he left, and before Matt checked.

Depends which version of the 'truth' you want to believe.

When did he open the window shutters then?

Didn't he drug the twins while he was there aswell?

Kate seemed to think so.

[pathfinder73]

It wasn't three times, it was twice. 

First time when Gerry checked at nine-ish.  He pulled it to.

Second time when Matt checked.  He didn't alter the position of the door.

So when Kate checked it was as Matt had left it.

This could be explained by the abductor hiding in the apartment when Gerry checked and pulled the door to, and the abductor then opening it again when he left, and before Matt checked.

No Kate said WIDE open not half in her statement.

[Eleanor]

Depends which version of the 'truth' you want to believe.

When did he open the window shutters then?

Didn't he drug the twins while he was there aswell?

Kate seemed to think so.

He had plenty of time to do those things.  But he will have opened the window after Gerry left in case someone else came in and trapped him.

[Wonderfulspam]

He had plenty of time to do those things.  But he will have opened the window after Gerry left in case someone else came in and trapped him.

The window wasn't open when Matt checked, no slamming doors, whooshing curtains for him.

The Anaesthetist abductor who hung around in the apartment for an hour.

You're going with that are you?

[Eleanor]

No Kate said WIDE open not half in her statement.

I don't remember Matt saying how wide open the door was.  Did he?  And what is wide open?  And who said half open?
If it was Gerry then that could have altered when the abductor left.  I don't suppose he would have been paying attention to where the door was.

[pathfinder73]

He had plenty of time to do those things.  But he will have opened the window after Gerry left in case someone else came in and trapped him.

Plenty of time? They were passing that apartment every 5 minutes. Matt never felt a draught so how was a window open?

[Wonderfulspam]

I don't remember Matt saying how wide open the door was.  Did he?  And what is wide open?  And who said half open?
If it was Gerry then that could have altered when the abductor left. I don't suppose he would have been paying attention to where the door was.

They all did.

Matt > 4.30
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=na4aBr5PTYY#t=270

Kate > 0.10
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhACS6ck-Dw&feature=player_detailpage#t=5

Gerry > 12.30
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=OZ8jmdWlB8Y#t=750