Three Door Moves

[pathfinder73]

All was silent when she entered the apartment. A door wide/completely open, a window open and curtains open in her first statement but all was silent. Not a word about running to the window and looking for a sign of anybody and shouting for Madeleine - only that she went searching through the apartment. Nothing adds up.

Gerry and Kate both said the door had moved - their reason for doing a visual check. They've entered the apartment but wouldn't do a quick visual check on their very young children unless the door had moved. Then not checking before closing the door. Get real!

[Wonderfulspam]

The issue that is always dodged is the basic one of "for there to have been an abduction the abductor and the child must cross paths".
Now tell us how that happened. No ifs buts and could be s; how precisely did their paths cross?.

I've thought about it quite a lot & the best explanations of how he got in, dunnit, & got out again, accounting for the status of the doors/windows of the apartment & Maddie not waking up etc... are of almost endless comedy value & nothing more.

[pegasus]

Would she not rush out of the room screaming then? would she not bang into things? fall over..oh no sorry, That couldn't happen. no accident theories here.

Screaming unlikely but would make some noise.Hearing someone in the room is one of the two reasons the burglar abandoned the burglary just before he climbed inside. The other is visual - seeing movement in the room.
If you were a burglar and thought everyone was out, got a window and shutter open, but then as you were about to climb in you heard and saw a child running out of the very room you were about to climb into, what would you do?

[pegasus]

The door move before 9.30  is the child pulling the door open to go into another room.
That's what the evidence indicates.

[pathfinder73]

The door move before 9.30  is the child pulling the door open to go into another room.
That's what the evidence indicates.

No the evidence indicates the child was never in bed.

[Miss Taken Identity]

No the evidence indicates the child was never in bed.

Yes Indeed Pathy!

Also, there is the issue of how 'they' left her. 1. Kate mentioned snuggled up in bed- Gerry mentions left laying on top of bed- the bed does not look slept in at all...IMO

[Alice Purjorick]

I've thought about it quite a lot & the best explanations of how he got in, dunnit, & got out again, accounting for the status of the doors/windows of the apartment & Maddie not waking up etc... are of almost endless comedy value & nothing more.

Me too. Given:-
 a) the abductor was mortal and therefore unable to pull "the Zeus trick"
 b) he wasn't "Rubber Bones" Webb and therefore could not utilise the HVAC duct peggy is on about.
 c) as reported somewhere Madeleine could not get out.
That leaves windows and two doors for a possible entrance route for the "shady".
Any takers for a precise explanation on how this was effected ?
How about in through the front door using a key then out through the window cos he is a "shady" and has to do "shady" things. Nah I can see holes in that idea.... &%+((£
 

[Wonderfulspam]

Me too. Given:-
 a) the abductor was mortal and therefore unable to pull "the Zeus trick"
 b) he wasn't "Rubber Bones" Webb and therefore could not utilise the HVAC duct peggy is on about.
 c) as reported somewhere Madeleine could not get out.
That leaves windows and two doors for a possible entrance route for the "shady".
Any takers for a precise explanation on how this was effected ?
How about in through the front door using a key then out through the window cos he is a "shady" and has to do "shady" things. Nah I can see holes in that idea.... &%+((£

two doors for a possible entrance route.

Mercifull heavens, No, good sir.

Perhaps you have missed it, but I have mentioned this many a time....

The back patio door as a point of entry exit requires the abductor to have closed the gate, childgate (with childlock) sliding door & curtains behind himself upon entry/exit.

Allow Kate to explain...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=WLvnfcl-Zkg#t=1371

Kate describes the state of gate, childgate, patio door & curtains as she found them upon entering.....

No disturbance.....an abductor who closed all that stuff behind him, tell us another one jackanory,

[Alice Purjorick]

two doors for a possible entrance route.

Mercifull heavens, No, good sir.

Perhaps you have missed it, but I have mentioned this many a time....

The back patio door as a point of entry exit requires the abductor to have closed the gate, childgate (with childlock) sliding door & curtains behind himself upon entry/exit.

Allow Kate to explain...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=WLvnfcl-Zkg#t=1371

Kate describes the state of gate, childgate, patio door & curtains as she found them upon entering.....

No disturbance.....an abductor who closed all that stuff behind him, tell us another one jackanory,

Ah! I see; a very tidy person. An apprentice burglar perhaps of the sort who rifles through a chest of drawers from the top down (some may need to think about that!).
So we have established that the crossing of paths was inside the apartment because the child could not get out.

Then the abductor comes in through the front door using a skellington key and legs it through the window levitating over the bed without leaving a trace?  Why go out through the window if you have a door key?
So by a process of elimination he uses the window in both directions without leaving a trace. So my theory that he was mortal was wrong as it is a variation on "the Zeus trick"..... &%+((£

[Wonderfulspam]

Ah! I see; a very tidy person. An apprentice burglar perhaps of the sort who rifles through a chest of drawers from the top down (some may need to think about that!).
So we have established that the crossing of paths was inside the apartment because the child could not get out.

Then the abductor comes in through the front door using a skellington key and legs it through the window levitating over the bed without leaving a trace?  Why go out through the window if you have a door key?
So by a process of elimination he uses the window in both directions without leaving a trace. So my theory that he was mortal was wrong as it is a variation on "the Zeus trick"..... &%+((£

The front door was noisy, according to Dr McCann...

'Madeleine Was Here'

GM: 'Part of the reason we ended coming through the back, was the noise coming through the front door...you don't want to disturb them..... stupid now but...'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=na4aBr5PTYY#t=287

[Alice Purjorick]

The front door was noisy, according to Dr McCann...

'Madeleine Was Here'

GM: 'Part of the reason we ended coming through the back, was the noise coming through the front door...you don't want to disturb them..... stupid now but...'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=na4aBr5PTYY#t=287

But the burgular (I know) or whatever would not know the door was noisy unless he had posed as a "chugger" or "workman" at the door sort of casing the place like his Manual of Tactics tells him to.
So given it is unlikely that the front door was used and that "the Zeus trick" wasn't pulled either then we have an intruder who was bullied by his mum when a kid so he always drew curtains and locked up after himself etc or he had a severe case of OCD.
That ought to narrow the field down a bit.

[Wonderfulspam]

But the burgular (I know) or whatever would not know the door was noisy unless he had posed as a "chugger" or "workman" at the door sort of casing the place like his Manual of Tactics tells him to.
So given it is unlikely that the front door was used and that "the Zeus trick" wasn't pulled either then we have an intruder who was bullied by his mum when a kid so he always drew curtains and locked up after himself etc or he had a severe case of OCD.
That ought to narrow the field down a bit.

Pre planned abduction,  equipped with a key, forget that window rubbish....

He'd be in that front door, grab her, cover her mouth, straight back out the front door without closing it.

But then what?

Run along the path or jump over the wall with her?

Pass her over to that extra abductor guy I've just imagined who's lurking in the car park with the imaginary getaway vehicle.

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[Alice Purjorick]

Pre planned abduction,  equipped with a key, forget that window rubbish....

He'd be in that front door, grab her, cover her mouth, straight back out the front door without closing it.

But then what?

Run along the path or jump over the wall with her?

Pass her over to that extra abductor guy I've just imagined who's lurking in the car park with the imaginary getaway vehicle.

Jumping over the wall toting 16kg or 17kg might be a bit of a tall order. Sit on it and swing your legs over more like. Did the cops find evidence of such do you know. Keeping the victim quiet at the same time. That seems to be a stumbling block unless of course he anaesthetised the victim before leaving the apartment. Closing everything behind him as he went with a third hand.
We seem to be running out of options here a bit I think. We perhaps need to do a precis of what is known, what is possible and what is improbable.

[pegasus]

No the evidence indicates the child was never in bed.

In your opinion who put the toy on the bed? And when?

[pathfinder73]

In your opinion who put the toy on the bed? And when?

The toy didn't take her out of the apartment. The children probably had it when they were playing in the living room. Maybe they were fighting over it. The toy was placed on the bed before 8:30.