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Offline puglove

Re: Is Jeremy Bamber a psychopath?
« Reply #60 on: August 09, 2012, 07:55:12 PM »
Jeremy Bamber kicked Mike Tesko in the fanny.

Offline puglove

Re: Is Jeremy Bamber a psychopath?
« Reply #61 on: August 09, 2012, 08:03:38 PM »
Jeremy Bamber kicked Mike Tesko in the fanny.

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Re: Is Jeremy Bamber a psychopath?
« Reply #62 on: August 09, 2012, 08:12:23 PM »
It shows beyond a shadow of a doubt for me that Sheila could not and did not do it, unless I believe she changed her clothes, washed her hands and feet after every shot, wrestled with her 6 foot 4 inch father, shot herself but then managed to wash her hands, feet and change her clothes (despite being extremely injured, if not deceased), shooting herself again and somehow cleaning hersef up and not leaving any bloodstained clothes or mess-whatsoever.
As for Mike Tesko and his flippant thread about Sheila being on a 'date with death' and on a rampage with six bullets (or something similar), I should stick to Stephen King novels pal.
I have a warped sense of humour but even mine doesn't strech to that, especially when two babies got murdered, two six year olds who were totally, totally inocent of ANYTHING as were Sheila and Mr and Mrs Bamber who I believe were decent, honest and hardworking people who just did their best in life.

What a very nice, kind and objective post , Joanne. thank you. Nevill and June Bamber were just as you describe them and extremely well regarded. Sheila may have had mental health problems but was basically a sweet, loving person who adored her lively twins. Sheila's mental health diagnosis has been much distorted and one could well challenge the opinion of the private psychiatrist, Dr Ferguson, who seems to have been preoccupied with putting a sexual slant on things. Psychiatry, and even more so in those days, is one of the least evidence based areas of medicine. Dr Ferguson jumped on the bandwagon and wrote an article in the press about his deceased patient at the time when Sheila was being scapegoated as the killer. Not very professional, IMO. Another view of her illness has been that she had a schizoaffective disorder, a very different cup of tea from the picture of a  severe paranoid schizophrenia . Some of Bamber's supporters on the blue forum constantly regurgitate the same crap exagerating her illness but I suppose they have to, as they have to somehow present the possibility that she was the killer as at the end of the day it is Bamber's only real defence. I also know that she was in a positive, optimistic frame of mind in the period of time prior to the mass murder. Then all the other evidence of her physical state, as you so clearly state, are completely inconsistent with her having been the killer. To me it is very strange that the Bamber is Innocent Brigade
( BIB ! ) seem incapable of understanding the obvious.   

Offline goatboy

Re: Is Jeremy Bamber a psychopath?
« Reply #63 on: August 09, 2012, 08:38:47 PM »
They seem to have no end of outlandish theories explaining why Sheila supposedly did what she did, and if it is pointed out that the theory is ridiculous they explain that she behaved in bizarre ways because she was mentally ill. The shower (after having sustained a near fatal neck wound) and the barking like a dog are both examples of this. However, they cannot understand how Jeremy could have behaved the way he did if he was the murderer. Well, actually a lot of his behaviour makes a lot of sense if you assume he was a psycopath.

Offline adam

Re: Is Jeremy Bamber a psychopath?
« Reply #64 on: October 22, 2014, 10:13:29 PM »
For me a psychopath is someone like Robert Napper or Peter Sutcliffe. Randomly killing complete strangers over several years.

Bamber planned and carried out an execution. Mainly for money. If successful it would have been clinical. No hammers or brutal beatings. Unfortunately Neville woke up.


However other people have called him a charming psychopath.

There have been lots of other inheritance killers. Not sure if they have all been called psychopaths.
« Last Edit: October 22, 2014, 10:15:41 PM by adam »

Offline puglove

Re: Is Jeremy Bamber a psychopath?
« Reply #65 on: August 15, 2015, 10:29:13 PM »
I listened to an interesting interview this morning, Noel "Razor" Smith was discussing his book "The Criminal Alphabet."

He's spent most of his life in various prisons (I'd love to know if he's met Bamber) and has recently been subjected to "a barrage of tests" that have diagnosed that he is a psychopath. This can be traced to a head injury he received as a young boy, which damaged the frontal lobe of his brain. Bamber also received a head injury as a baby, and it's entirely possible that it caused psychopathic tendencies.
Jeremy Bamber kicked Mike Tesko in the fanny.

Offline Passer-by

Re: Is Jeremy Bamber a psychopath?
« Reply #66 on: August 15, 2015, 11:02:23 PM »
I listened to an interesting interview this morning, Noel "Razor" Smith was discussing his book "The Criminal Alphabet."

He's spent most of his life in various prisons (I'd love to know if he's met Bamber) and has recently been subjected to "a barrage of tests" that have diagnosed that he is a psychopath. This can be traced to a head injury he received as a young boy, which damaged the frontal lobe of his brain. Bamber also received a head injury as a baby, and it's entirely possible that it caused psychopathic tendencies.

I thought he took 27 gets by psychiatrists expressly to see if he's a dangerous psychopath (yearly review in the prison) and come out completely clean in all of them?  Bit hard to argue with that . . . ?

Offline puglove

Re: Is Jeremy Bamber a psychopath?
« Reply #67 on: August 15, 2015, 11:51:57 PM »
I thought he took 27 gets by psychiatrists expressly to see if he's a dangerous psychopath (yearly review in the prison) and come out completely clean in all of them?  Bit hard to argue with that . . . ?

I doubt that even Holly, who is brilliant at verification, could find any actual evidence of those (I hate to say mystical) tests. He has (I think) to have to take some sort of yearly test, but it certainly is not an in-depth pyschiatic examination. It's probably just a test that he won't go bananas and smear his shit up the wall. Again.
Jeremy Bamber kicked Mike Tesko in the fanny.

Offline puglove

Re: Is Jeremy Bamber a psychopath?
« Reply #68 on: August 16, 2015, 12:02:43 AM »
I doubt that even Holly, who is brilliant at verification, could find any actual evidence of those (I hate to say mystical) tests. He has (I think) to have to take some sort of yearly test, but it certainly is not an in-depth pyschiatic examination. It's probably just a test that he won't go bananas and smear his shit up the wall. Again.

I miss-spelt psychiatric. My bad, as Gladys used to say.

I am yet to see any evidence that Bamber passed any sort of mental test, or a lie-detector. Because he didn't. It's all a load of bollocks, just like his website. Run by sad old bints who got knocked back on Plenty of Fish.

Jeremy Bamber kicked Mike Tesko in the fanny.

Offline Passer-by

Re: Is Jeremy Bamber a psychopath?
« Reply #69 on: August 16, 2015, 12:32:07 AM »

Offline mercury

Re: Is Jeremy Bamber a psychopath?
« Reply #70 on: August 16, 2015, 12:55:23 AM »
Was Shiela Caffell ever tested for personality disorders?

She seemed from the little I have read to be a cogent contender for these murders

There seems to be no clear definitive proof Bamber did it...dont jump on me, its just a matter of facts


Offline Passer-by

Re: Is Jeremy Bamber a psychopath?
« Reply #71 on: August 16, 2015, 10:49:06 AM »
Was Shiela Caffell ever tested for personality disorders?

She seemed from the little I have read to be a cogent contender for these murders

There seems to be no clear definitive proof Bamber did it...dont jump on me, its just a matter of facts

Proof seems to be three-fold

1) Petty-criminal proven liar girlfriend who had been jilted and stood to benefit to the tune of a £25k newspaper deal only if he was found guilty retrospectively said he'd told her he had done it.  It took her a month to mention this and only then because he dumped her.  Even identifying the children's bodies in the morgue didn't trigger feelings of revulsion towards him.  In the process she also claimed he had hired a mercenary to do the job - a local plumber who had once worked in Libya who fortunately had a cast-iron alibi because he was cheating on his wife and the people who lived with the lover saw him, otherwise he'd have been in jail for 30 years right now too.

2) Gun moderator found by relatives who inherited the estate after his guilty conviction after the police had already searched for evidence in the very place they found it. If he had inherited the estate he would own half of their farm. Tiny speck of blood on it was alleged to be Sheila's but the lab used the entire speck in one test so it didn't even have the second confirmatory test, let alone a set of others it should have had and it was only the same blood group as Sheila.  The moderator was handled by at least 3 relatives, who had cleaned up the property so had access to Sheila's blood, put in a plastic bag, transported to another house then handled by several police officers before being out in a fridge at the police station with other samples including items with blood.  At a later appeal the moderator was tested by forensics and had no blood on it.  There then turned out to be more than one moderator anyhow.

3) the issue of whether Bamber's father had phoned him.  When it was considered to be a suicide no-ones evidence conflicted with his statement that he had called the police first and then his girlfriend, but when they decided it was murder suddenly the policeman who wrote down the time of the call changed his statement to say that on a digital clock he had got a 2 and a 5 mixed up, and the girlfriend who previously said she was too sleepy to pay much attention to the call remembered looking at the time and her flatmate who was woken by the call suddenly remembered she kept her clock 10 minutes fast (a whole month after the murders the police went to her flat and found this was the case:  hmm!), all of which meant apparently meant Bamber boasted to his girlfriend before calling the police having fabricated the call from his father. It's worth noting that the girlfriend and her flatmate both had charges relating to selling cannabis dropped in return for giving evidence.  The girlfriend had just done a teaching degree and would not have been allowed to work in schools with a drugs conviction.

No forensic evidence linking him and he asked the housekeeper and relatives to clean up and sort out the house.

Offline mercury

Re: Is Jeremy Bamber a psychopath?
« Reply #72 on: August 16, 2015, 10:47:38 PM »
All very worrying indeed!

The sad spectacle of the GF should be discounted totally IMO, the relatives had a motive or two it seems, the police seemed to have cocked up the whole thing gargantuan style in a mix of incompetence and deliberateness for reasons known to themselves, the whole judicial system seems to have been complicit to one degree or another



« Last Edit: August 16, 2015, 11:35:45 PM by mercury »

Offline John

Re: Is Jeremy Bamber a psychopath?
« Reply #73 on: August 17, 2015, 01:39:40 PM »
Was Shiela Caffell ever tested for personality disorders?

She seemed from the little I have read to be a cogent contender for these murders

There seems to be no clear definitive proof Bamber did it...dont jump on me, its just a matter of facts

Sheila might have had mental health problems but there is nothing in her past to suggest she could have done such a thing.  Whoever killed the family was proficient in the use of a .22 calibre rifle.

As for evidence that Jeremy did it, the evidence shows that Sheila didn't do it and as she and Jeremy were the only suspects it doesn't require a PHD in sleuthing to work it out.

The issue of the girlfriend, the relatives who benefitted and the blood in the sound moderator are interesting but detract nothing from the crucial forensic evidence.
« Last Edit: August 19, 2015, 07:03:49 AM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Passer-by

Re: Is Jeremy Bamber a psychopath?
« Reply #74 on: August 17, 2015, 08:10:10 PM »
Sheila might have had mental health problems but there is nothing in her past to suggest she could have done such a thing.  Whoever killed the family was proficient in the use of a .22 calibre rifle.

As for evidence that Jeremy did it, the evidence shows that Sheila didn't do it and as she and Jeremy were the only suspects it doesn't require a PHD in sleuthing to work it out.

The issue of the girlfriend, the relatives who benefitted and the blood in the sound moderator are interesting but detract nothing from the crucial forensic evidence.

I thought she had previously attempted suicide, one of the twins had 'accidentally' fallen out of a moving taxi when she was with him and she had physically assaulted her ex-husband Colin, who was worried she was too harsh with them.  Also that another friend feared for his safety as well as hers on a previous occasion.  In addition to telling her psychiatrist the twins were the devil's children who wanted to have sex with her . . . ?

The only evidence which shows Sheila couldn't have done it the moderator - seriously flawed evidence - and the one thing I concede is a humdinger is the lack of residue on her hands for the final two shots.  I think she washed her hands (but not ritually!) before changing into a clean nightie, so may have rinsed off residue for the first 23, but there should be some residue I imagine.  However the police put plastic bags over her hands and feet, which can interfere with the forensics as condensation can occur which wipes off evidence from the hands:  apparently they should have used paper bags.