Camera/Photo Statements

[jassi]

Must be a major factor. Even so, one might expect photos in & around the apartment - lunch on the patio for example.

[Benice]

Could it be that the children spent most of their day in a creche?

Off topic and irrelevant IMO. 

What business is it of anyone - where and when another family decides to take piccies on holiday?

Just another stick to beat the McCanns with IMO. 

[Brietta]

I think you will find that real detectives would not expect witnesses to be able to recall every mundane detail of every minute of every day of a holiday - especially a year on from the holiday.      Neither would they expect all the witnesses to have identical recollections as one-another - or presume that if two statements differ - then one person must be lying.

IMO Criticising people because they didn't take photos that other people think should have been taken is preposterous.     And just because you have your camera with you - it doesn't follow that you MUST use it.

If dinner on 3rd May had not been brought to an abrupt end at 10.00p.m. then for all we know - lots of piccies might have been taken that night.

It may be that there are more pictures of the holiday than the ones we have seen, for example were there not some B/W images posted of the Payne family on their veranda?

In missing child cases the only important images are the best ones to identify the child.

I wonder if there are instances in other cases where it is expected and demanded that the entire roll of film or memory stick is put on the internet for public perusal?
Or do these expectations and demands apply only to the McCann family?

[Benice]

Must be a major factor. Even so, one might expect photos in & around the apartment - lunch on the patio for example.

So how many photographs in total did the McCanns and their friends take that week?

[pathfinder73]

Could it be that the children spent most of their day in a creche?

Yes it seems so.

On Tuesday there was a slight change given that after lunch, at 13h30, he and KATE decided to take the three children to Paris da Luz, having gone on foot, taking only the twins in baby carriages. They all left by the main door due to the carriages, went around to the right, down the street of the supermarket and went to the beach along a road directly ahead.
----- They were at the beach for about 20 minutes, the deponent and MADELEINE having paddled in the water. During this time the weather changed with a cloudy sky and cold, they went to an esplanade of a cafe next to the beach, on the left, where they bought five ice-creams and two drinks. Asked, he said that at that place there was an individual playing Latin music on a guitar to whom he intended to give some coins, but having none at the time, he didn't. (GM 10 May)

Her parents were required to sign the register when the meal was over. During the meal Kate asked Madeleine if she was sad because the other children in the group had gone to the beach without her: she replied that she wasn't, but was rather tired. She asked Kate to carry her back to the apartment. Kate agreed, and Gerry led the twins back to the apartment. Tiredness was due to the intense daily activities, not to any sickness.

They arrived at the apartment around 5:40PM, earlier than usual, because Madeleine was tired, their other friends were at the beach and Gerry had an all-male tennis game at 6:00PM.  (KM 6 Sep)

[Brietta]

Yes it seems so.

On Tuesday there was a slight change given that after lunch, at 13h30, he and KATE decided to take the three children to Paris da Luz, having gone on foot, taking only the twins in baby carriages. They all left by the main door due to the carriages, went around to the right, down the street of the supermarket and went to the beach along a road directly ahead.
----- They were at the beach for about 20 minutes, the deponent and MADELEINE having paddled in the water. During this time the weather changed with a cloudy sky and cold, they went to an esplanade of a cafe next to the beach, on the left, where they bought five ice-creams and two drinks. Asked, he said that at that place there was an individual playing Latin music on a guitar to whom he intended to give some coins, but having none at the time, he didn't. (GM 10 May)

Her parents were required to sign the register when the meal was over. During the meal Kate asked Madeleine if she was sad because the other children in the group had gone to the beach without her: she replied that she wasn't, but was rather tired. She asked Kate to carry her back to the apartment. Kate agreed, and Gerry led the twins back to the apartment. Tiredness was due to the intense daily activities, not to any sickness.

They arrived at the apartment around 5:40PM, earlier than usual, because Madeleine was tired, their other friends were at the beach and Gerry had an all-male tennis game at 6:00PM.  (KM 6 Sep)

I see ...

Out of all the families who have holidayed in the past ... presently ... and in the future ... and the children who have taken advantage of the excellent facilities laid on for them ... only the McCann family is to be excoriated.

That says so much ... not about the McCanns ... but about those disingenuous posters.

That a picture to identify Madeleine was obtained and published is the important issue.

That the PJ found it strange that such publicity was a required essential in the case of a missing child is another issue.

[Brietta]

I think it is established that Madeleine’s parents were able to provide a recent photograph which was clear enough to be used for identification purposes.
 
Apparently they should also have had the foresight to take full length photographs of everyone in the party to establish their apparel for the evening when Madeleine vanished from apartment 5a.

Unlike Dr Amaral I think it is perfectly clear why no photographs were taken at the table.  They were eating their meal.

Dr Amaral records that the daytime photographs were handed in as requested; confirmation that the company were more interested in recording theirs and their children's holiday than in recording what they ate at dinner.

>>snip<<

We don't know what clothes the McCann couple and their friends were wearing on the evening of May 3rd.

At the start of the investigation, we had requested all photos and videos from that day and from the other days, but all we received were daytime photos; it was as if in the evenings and during the now famous "Tapas," dinners, no photos had been taken despite the fact that some of the diners had cameras with them.
The lack of night time photos was something we have never understood.
 
Within the rogatory letter, we ask the English authorities to seize photos and videos taken throughout the holiday at the Ocean Club.
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id273.html

[pathfinder73]

Photos were taken one night at the table on the Payne's camera. Dianne said she took them. These were not received. Why take your camera to the table if you're not planning on taking photos?

[Benice]

Photos were taken one night at the table on the Payne's camera. Dianne said she took them. These were not received. Why take your camera to the table if you're not planning on taking photos?

Maybe they were planning on taking photos AFTER the meal - but if you remember - they were otherwise engaged.

What does it matter whether they took photographs or not during the holiday.  It's a matter of individual choice - there are no laws saying that if you have a camera you MUST use it.

As it happened when they needed a photograph of Madeleine for identification purposes -  they found one which showed her individual features and her hair in detail.

If Amaral didn't ask for all their cameras to be handed in - then that was his decision. 

[pathfinder73]

I think you're missing the point. Amaral was wanting to find out what kind of clothes they were wearing when they went out to dinner at night. That's why he wanted to see night time photos.

[Brietta]

I think you're missing the point. Amaral was wanting to find out what kind of clothes they were wearing when they went out to dinner at night. That's why he wanted to see night time photos.

Yes ... I think we understand that.

Now if only the PJ had asked those questions on the 3rd ... perhaps even requested and bagged their clothing ... they might have been eliminated from the inquiry at an earlier stage than they were, thus freeing investigators to pursue other avenues.

[Benice]

I think you're missing the point. Amaral was wanting to find out what kind of clothes they were wearing when they went out to dinner at night. That's why he wanted to see night time photos.

Well all he had to do was ask.   There were plenty of other 'independent' witnesses including police officers and hotel staff - apart from themselves and the group, who spent time with the McCanns that night and could also confirm what they wore.   Surely between so many people that could easily have been established - even if one or two didn't remember.   Or why not just ask for their clothes?  Do you think they would have refused to hand them over?

 

[sadie]

Photos were taken one night at the table on the Payne's camera. Dianne said she took them. These were not received. Why take your camera to the table if you're not planning on taking photos?

Jeez, what's all this going on about photographs ?

I regularly take a camera out with me on holiday, but often come back having never used it.

Now if I were fortunate enough to visit the Himalayas, The Taj Mahal or the Golden Termple, you bet, I would photograph everything in sight.


Everybody is different.  Everyone had different priorities.



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[John]

Prior to the invention of the mobile phone complete with camera I was in the habit of taking a camera with me if away from home.  On holiday tourists who like to take photos usually take a camera everywhere but don't always use it.

[Alice Purjorick]

Oh gosh I am agreeing with Sadie and John on this!
We are obviously of the same sort of generation where we do not photograph baby's first poop and stick it on face book with a commentary.....if you see what I mean!
Nonetheless I could understand investigative bodies asking for photos were there some.