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Alfred R Jones

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Re: Documentaries & Articles for Discussion
« Reply #210 on: July 12, 2015, 01:38:06 PM »
Whilst in no way connected to the McCann case this article is interesting a) because it is about press freedoms and techniques used to get a story and b) because of the advice received by the journalist from his lawyer:

The reporter was subjected to a 90-minute interview, in which he was asked a total of 107 separate questions, some examples of which are below.
The journalist, who denies the allegations, was advised by his lawyer to answer ‘No comment’ to all the questions, but the lawyer made clear her dissatisfaction, saying it was ‘unfortunate to say the least’ that the reporter had been called in for questioning after he and the newspaper had given their full co-operation to police.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3157741/Six-months-ago-MoS-exposed-children-s-consultant-taking-Class-drugs-just-going-duty-chilling-implications-news-investigation-police-interviewed-reporter-caution-VOYEURISM.html#ixzz3fgE63dFi
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Offline pathfinder73

Re: Documentaries & Articles for Discussion
« Reply #211 on: July 14, 2015, 06:54:19 PM »

Gerry said the Carpenters left shortly after their friends arrived.

My wife mentioned on the following day that she vaguely remembered someone calling "Madeleine, Madeleine", this was after we had crossed the road from the MW reception and before entering our apartment.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/STEPHEN-CARPENTER.htm

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Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline pathfinder73

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« Reply #212 on: July 16, 2015, 03:30:12 PM »
Amazing how similar this case is. The garage door was left open by the parents and their dog didn't bark at any intruder.

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Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Alfred R Jones

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Re: Documentaries & Articles for Discussion
« Reply #213 on: July 16, 2015, 05:41:04 PM »
Quote from: pathfinder73 on July 16, 2015, 03:30:12 PM
Amazing how similar this case is. The garage door was left open by the parents and their dog didn't bark at any intruder.

Very interesting but I'm surprised you posted it as it certainly how easily parents of missing children can become victims of police misconduct. 
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Offline pathfinder73

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« Reply #214 on: July 16, 2015, 07:10:49 PM »
Quote from: Alfred R Jones on July 16, 2015, 05:41:04 PM
Very interesting but I'm surprised you posted it as it certainly how easily parents of missing children can become victims of police misconduct.

If the recordings weren't so bad they had them.
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Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Carana

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« Reply #215 on: July 16, 2015, 07:18:55 PM »
Quote from: pathfinder73 on July 16, 2015, 07:10:49 PM
If the recordings weren't so bad they had them.

Thanks for posting it.

If the recordings weren't so bad, they might have transcribed what was actually said as opposed to what they were hoping they'd said...
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Alfred R Jones

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« Reply #216 on: July 16, 2015, 11:11:50 PM »
Quote from: pathfinder73 on July 16, 2015, 07:10:49 PM
If the recordings weren't so bad they had them.
Why are you so sure of that?  The recordings were unintelligible and there was precisely no credible evidence against them. The parents were very obviously stitched up.  A very familiar story...
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Offline Brietta

Re: Documentaries & Articles for Discussion
« Reply #217 on: July 17, 2015, 12:49:42 AM »
Quote from: Alfred R Jones on July 16, 2015, 05:41:04 PM
Very interesting but I'm surprised you posted it as it certainly how easily parents of missing children can become victims of police misconduct.

I too am amazed that pathfinder posted this.  Some of the similarities in the treatment of the Aisenbergs and the McCanns are uncanny both in trial by public opinion and hostile police and prosecution services.

Heartbreaking that Sabrina has now been missing for more than fifteen years.
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"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline pegasus

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« Reply #218 on: July 17, 2015, 01:41:45 AM »
It's a mystery disappearance of a small child, with the possibility of an intruder, so it is very relevant IMO.
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Offline Brietta

Re: Documentaries & Articles for Discussion
« Reply #219 on: July 17, 2015, 01:55:24 AM »
Quote from: pegasus on July 17, 2015, 01:41:45 AM
It's a mystery disappearance of a small child, with the possibility of an intruder, so it is very relevant IMO.

I agree it is entirely relevant to Madeleine McCann's case.

Particularly in the way Sabrina's parents were alleged to have been involved in her disappearance and the conduct of the police who seemed entirely focused, not on finding a living child, but in prosecuting her parents.

It also showed exactly why it was important for the parents to get the best legal advice possible.
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"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Benice

Re: Documentaries & Articles for Discussion
« Reply #220 on: July 17, 2015, 10:12:36 AM »
Quote from: Brietta on July 17, 2015, 01:55:24 AM
I agree it is entirely relevant to Madeleine McCann's case.

Particularly in the way Sabrina's parents were alleged to have been involved in her disappearance and the conduct of the police who seemed entirely focused, not on finding a living child, but in prosecuting her parents.

It also showed exactly why it was important for the parents to get the best legal advice possible.

I agree.  I dread to think what would have happened to them if they had not taken their lawyers advice not to answer any more questions.   

I'm still gobsmacked at the claim by the police that the tapes proved their guilt!   IIRC Amaral made a similar claim  - i.e. that his documentary would prove the McCanns guilt.   IMO all it proved was how far he was prepared to go to manipulate the evidence to make it fit in with his claims.   

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The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

stephen25000

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Re: Documentaries & Articles for Discussion
« Reply #221 on: July 17, 2015, 10:19:38 AM »
Quote from: Benice on July 17, 2015, 10:12:36 AM
I agree.  I dread to think what would have happened to them if they had not taken their lawyers advice not to answer any more questions.   

I'm still gobsmacked at the claim by the police that the tapes proved their guilt!   IIRC Amaral made a similar claim  - i.e. that his documentary would prove the McCanns guilt.   IMO all it proved was how far he was prepared to go to manipulate the evidence to make it fit in with his claims.   

'I agree.  I dread to think what would have happened to them if they had not taken their lawyers advice not to answer any more questions. '


Pull the other one. &%&£(+ &%&£(+ &%&£(+



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Offline Benice

Re: Documentaries & Articles for Discussion
« Reply #222 on: July 17, 2015, 10:39:48 AM »
Quote from: stephen25000 on July 17, 2015, 10:19:38 AM
'I agree.  I dread to think what would have happened to them if they had not taken their lawyers advice not to answer any more questions. '


Pull the other one. &%&£(+ &%&£(+ &%&£(+

Are you claiming to know better than those US parents' lawyer - as well the McCanns lawyer now?  Why do you think he advised them take the 5th Amendment?   

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The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

stephen25000

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Re: Documentaries & Articles for Discussion
« Reply #223 on: July 17, 2015, 10:44:43 AM »
Quote from: Benice on July 17, 2015, 10:39:48 AM
Are you claiming to know better than those US parents' lawyer - as well the McCanns lawyer now?  Why do you think he advised them take the 5th Amendment?

Why do people take the 5th ?

Oh yes, NOT TO IMPLICATE THEMSELVES.

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Offline Benice

Re: Documentaries & Articles for Discussion
« Reply #224 on: July 17, 2015, 10:50:31 AM »
Quote from: stephen25000 on July 17, 2015, 10:44:43 AM
Why do people take the 5th ?

Oh yes, NOT TO IMPLICATE THEMSELVES.

Or when it becomes clear to their lawyer that they are about to be fitted up?   Why would any sane person want to help the police to frame them?
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The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal
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