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[stephen25000]

so can the powers of the police...as amaral has shown

and what of some members of the police in the UK who according to the current investigation have apparently covered up the  activities of high level paedophiles.

What of them dave ?

[Brietta]

and what of some members of the police in the UK who according to the current investigation have apparently covered up the  activities of high level paedophiles.

What of them dave ?

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6299.msg256223#msg256223

Have we had any letters from Brussels? 

[G-Unit]

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6299.msg256223#msg256223

Have we had any letters from Brussels?

We have the laws they want Portugal, Spain, Italy, Greece, Romania and Malta to adopt. we just don't seem to have always enforced them.

[Brietta]

We have the laws they want Portugal, Spain, Italy, Greece, Romania and Malta to adopt. we just don't seem to have always enforced them.

Perhaps the Courts will be given the opportunity to prove that for good or ill.

[pegasus]

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/317111/Madeleine-McCann-The-lost-clues

"...a British woman staying at the Ocean Club saw a 'suspicious' couple loitering around the complex. On May 2, the day before Madeleine vanished, the woman saw the couple sitting on a hill overlooking tennis courts used by Kate and Gerry. Just by the courts is a grassy area where the couple, Madeleine and twins Sean and Amelie, played regularly in the afternoons. The woman, whose toddler daughter became friendly with Madeleine at the children’s club, said the suspicious woman was talking and pointing while the man with her looked 'nervous' ..."

What hill? Have a walk around there is no hill there.

[Mr Gray]

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/317111/Madeleine-McCann-The-lost-clues

"...a British woman staying at the Ocean Club saw a 'suspicious' couple loitering around the complex. On May 2, the day before Madeleine vanished, the woman saw the couple sitting on a hill overlooking tennis courts used by Kate and Gerry. Just by the courts is a grassy area where the couple, Madeleine and twins Sean and Amelie, played regularly in the afternoons. The woman, whose toddler daughter became friendly with Madeleine at the children’s club, said the suspicious woman was talking and pointing while the man with her looked 'nervous' ..."

What hill? Have a walk around there is no hill there.

it is probably a Portuguese source and a mistake in translation...some want us to believe mistakes don't happen and the files are 100% correct

[pegasus]

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/317111/Madeleine-McCann-The-lost-clues
Mrs Duarte said ... "There were some 70,000 calls on the documents provided to the officers but I do not believe they have ever been properly analysed."

Is Mrs D criticising the work of the top British police phone experts who were in PDL in May 2007?

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/jun/01/ukcrime.madeleinemccann
"1 June 2007 ... Forensic science experts from the Metropolitan police have been helping Portuguese police investigating ... evidence from mobile phone records"

[Eleanor]

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/317111/Madeleine-McCann-The-lost-clues
Mrs Duarte said ... "There were some 70,000 calls on the documents provided to the officers but I do not believe they have ever been properly analysed."

Is Mrs D criticising the work of the top British police phone experts who were in PDL in May 2007?

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/jun/01/ukcrime.madeleinemccann
"1 June 2007 ... Forensic science experts from the Metropolitan police have been helping Portuguese police investigating ... evidence from mobile phone records"

"helping Portuguese Police investigate."  Hardly in charge, were they.

[pegasus]

it is probably a Portuguese source and a mistake in translation...some want us to believe mistakes don't happen and the files are 100% correct

IMO its probably something the Express journos found by tracing and talking with a lobster parent in the UK?
Maybe it should be "sitting on a wall"? There is no "hill" that fits.

[pegasus]

"helping Portuguese Police investigate."  Hardly in charge, were they.

Several phone experts were sent by the Met to PDL in May 2007. Were they sent make to tea? Or to analyse phone comms?
http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/jun/01/ukcrime.madeleinemccann
 

[Alfred R Jones]

Several phone experts were sent by the Met to PDL in May 2007. Were they sent make to tea? Or to analyse phone comms?
http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/jun/01/ukcrime.madeleinemccann

From the article:

Experts said the investigator, who is not a police officer, would be mapping how different mobile phone masts served various parts of the Praia da Luz resort and nearby areas.

"You would need to go to Praia da Luz first to see which networks provide a service there," said David Bristowe, the mobile phone expert whose evidence helped solve the Soham murders in 2002


This could provide Portuguese police with a valuable way of checking the alibis of any suspects who used mobile telephones that night, he said.

So it was to provide information to enable the Portuguese police to check alibis of suspects, in other words they were there to pull together the data, then over to the police to do the analysis and investigating, or have I misunderstood?

[pegasus]

From the article:

So it was to provide information to enable the Portuguese police to check alibis of suspects, in other words they were there to pull together the data, then over to the police to do the analysis and investigating, or have I misunderstood?

Brit analysts were significantly involved in the phone work in May 2007.
Duarte is criticising (in part) experts from the Metropolitan Police.
Amaral's PJ and his Brit experts did analyse the phone data
Here is an example

[pegasus]

BTW that data I posted is by Amaral's PJ/Brit phone analysts.
It pulls together Luz mast data from all 3 networks for the Smith sighting period
You can see for example one of the calls Redwood re-examined (58s call at 21:51).
Also BTW there are comms between Brit employees going out for the evening (some of whom had portuguese SIMs).
All this was analysed already by Amaral's team.

[Brietta]

Brit analysts were significantly involved in the phone work in May 2007.
Duarte is criticising (in part) experts from the Metropolitan Police.
Amaral's PJ and his Brit experts did analyse the phone data
Here is an example

The investigating authority would determine the priority of which data was to be analysed.  As can be seen from the files that was concentrated on the first arguido and his associates and those who were later to be constituted arguidos and their associates.

I believe the present SY and PJ investigators may have carried out a more intensive study and may have looked at the information as a whole to see patterns which seem to have been of interest.

The first investigation concentrated on a narrow field ... unfortunately when that had to be discarded because it was unproductive ... they did not change tack to look at the information available to them as a whole.

Therefore the criticism of the Drs McCann lawyer is a valid one.
The PJ had the information provided by British technicians ... they just didn't use it to its full potential.

[Eleanor]

The investigating authority would determine the priority of which data was to be analysed.  As can be seen from the files that was concentrated on the first arguido and his associates and those who were later to be constituted arguidos and their associates.

I believe the present SY and PJ investigators may have carried out a more intensive study and may have looked at the information as a whole to see patterns which seem to have been of interest.

The first investigation concentrated on a narrow field ... unfortunately when that had to be discarded because it was unproductive ... they did not change tack to look at the information available to them as a whole.

Therefore the criticism of the Drs McCann lawyer is a valid one.
The PJ had the information provided by British technicians ... they just didn't use it to its full potential.

Merci beaucoup.