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[slartibartfast]

there are plenty of bold statements on here....it is a  bold statement to say maddie could have died in an accident with no data to show what sort of accident...the nspcc website gives the most usual causes of accidental death

if we look at what we know via newspaper reports of accidents...no accidental fall inside a house has ever produced near instant death...
yet there are reports of abduction...making abduction more likely

How many newspaper reports can you produce to back up your bald statement?

Bald: Not having any extra detail or explanation; plain or blunt:
the bald statement in the preceding paragraph requires amplification/quote]

[Mr Gray]

How many newspaper reports can you produce to back up your bald statement?

Bald: Not having any extra detail or explanation; plain or blunt:
the bald statement in the preceding paragraph requires amplification/quote]

I think is incumbent on those claiming maddie died to show that this is possible...as yet no one has......despite repeated requests

[stephen25000]

I think is incumbent on those claiming maddie died to show that this is possible...as yet no one has......despite repeated requests

You have claimed it has never happened.

not all cases of death are reported in the press.

Now can you explain why abduction is more likely ?

[Lace]

How do you know Madeleine didn't fall from the balcony? If your child fell and hurt itself when you left it alone in a holiday apartment would you say 'It wasn't my fault'? Would you take no responsibility at all? Leaving children alone is asking for trouble. Parents who leave their children alone and go out probably don't intend the child to come to harm, but they still get into trouble for it in the UK. That's because it's irresponsible to do it, and parents are expected to realise that children left alone can come to harm. Otherwise the authorities wouldn't prosecute parents who do it. Mentioning what happened to other children is just as relevant as the countless articles mentioning how unreliable cadaver dogs are.

Lets get something straight from the start GUnit,    I wouldn't leave my children alone full stop,   I think the McCann's were very foolish leaving their children alone.

What I am saying is,  there is no point raking up incidents that happened to other children as to an example of  what may have  happened to Madeleine as that paragraph in the investigation is closed.   The parents have said they shouldn't have left them and the out come of the investigation of them leaving the children stated that there was 'no intent'.     The argument giving that a child could have an accident when the parents are not there,   is no argument as the child could have an accident when the parents are there.

[G-Unit]

Lets get something straight from the start GUnit,    I wouldn't leave my children alone full stop,   I think the McCann's were very foolish leaving their children alone.

What I am saying is,  there is no point raking up incidents that happened to other children as to an example of  what may have  happened to Madeleine as that paragraph in the investigation is closed.   The parents have said they shouldn't have left them and the out come of the investigation of them leaving the children stated that there was 'no intent'.     The argument giving that a child could have an accident when the parents are not there,   is no argument as the child could have an accident when the parents are there.

Why wouldn't you leave your children alone full stop? Is it because of the McCann case or for another reason?

[Lace]

Why wouldn't you leave your children alone full stop? Is it because of the McCann case or for another reason?

I would never leave my children alone and it has nothing to do with the McCann case.

[G-Unit]

I would never leave my children alone and it has nothing to do with the McCann case.

Why wouldn't you leave them alone then? Do tell?

[Lace]

Why wouldn't you leave them alone then? Do tell?

My main worry would be that they might get out.

[Brietta]

What abductor ???

The one Scotland Yard and the Polícia Judiciária are currently looking for.

[G-Unit]

My main worry would be that they might get out.

Kate McCann allegedly left a door open so hers could get out. She seemed more worried about locking them in. Well, that's what she told her friends. Later she said she wasn't worried at all, she never even thought about it. Strange, most mothers worry and assess dangerous situations automatically. Hence the never-ending cries of 'Be careful' ' Get down' 'Don't touch that'.

[stephen25000]

The one Scotland Yard and the Polícia Judiciária are currently looking for.

So is this.......................

Mr. Spotty

Mr. Swarthy European

Ms. Beckham Lookalike

Mr. Nasty little Sardine Muncher

Or of course, it could have been The Invisible Man, detectable by vapour residues.(that's for dave by the way)

 

[Lace]

So is this.......................

Mr. Spotty

Mr. Swarthy European

Ms. Beckham Lookalike

Mr. Nasty little Sardine Muncher

Or of course, it could have been The Invisible Man, detectable by vapour residues.(that's for dave by the way)

 

They are not doing a running commentary.

Why by the way do you think it's funny?

[stephen25000]

They are not doing a running commentary.

Why by the way do you think it's funny?

You know why.

I don't believe there was an abductor.

We have been shown a parade of faces over the years which have gone beyond parody.

[Brietta]

So is this.......................

Mr. Spotty

Mr. Swarthy European

Ms. Beckham Lookalike

Mr. Nasty little Sardine Muncher

Or of course, it could have been The Invisible Man, detectable by vapour residues.(that's for dave by the way)

It could have been any one of the people ignored by the initial investigation ... or it could be related to any one of the phone calls made in Praia da Luz in the run up to and immediately after Madeleine disappeared and also overlooked.

Concentration on and suspicion of all things McCann seemed to be the motivating factor without the net ever being cast a little wider.

The phone data published in the files does not appear to take in the wider picture and concentrates on a very limited part of the whole.  Heri has tried to no avail to access the five TMN, Vodafone and Optimus files, which were not included in the DVD released in July 2008 ... and wonders why if the McCann data was published in its minutiae all the available information wasn't treated accordingly. http://espacioexterior.blogspot.co.uk/ 

[Brietta]

On reading this, the obviously Portuguese name of the stalker caught my attention.  As well as the lengths he was prepared to go to to attract Ms Coyne's attention.
Initially who could blame him for that because she is an extraordinarily attractive young woman.

But what might have been considered an innocent infatuation developed into something more sinister resulting in Ms Coyne being put in fear of her life and fear of her daughter being kidnapped.

I don't know if Silva gave a thought to Madeleine McCann's case when issuing threats of kidnap ... but I found it interesting that he chose to do so.
Bearing in mind Ms Coyne knew nothing of this man ... but he knew everything about her and her daughter.


Scotland’s most wanted stalker put a £5000 price on young mum's head and threatened to cut her into pieces
06:00, 2 NOV 2015 UPDATED 06:45, 2 NOV 2015
BY DAVID LOVE

A YOUNG mum suffered a horrifying three-year ordeal at the hands of the sick predator who also threatened to snatch her baby daughter.
Luis de Barra Silva stalked Jade Coyne and threatened her with violence.

SCOTLAND’S most wanted stalker will be kicked out of the country for terrorising a young mum he spotted in Pizza Hut.

And yesterday, Luis de Barra Silva’s victim spoke of her three-year ordeal at the hands of the sick predator who used his cyber-skills to put her through hell.

Jade Coyne, 23, told how Silva approached her online after he saw her chatting with pals in a restaurant. But when she rejected his advances, his infatuation took a sinister turn and he threatened to “cut her into pieces”.

Silva, 36, posted an internet message offering £5000 to anyone who would kill Jade and cut off her head.

He also threatened to snatch her baby daughter and take her to his native Portugal.

Jade was left living in terror that “a stranger in the shadows” would kill her and kidnap her daughter.

She had never even met Silva – the first time she clapped eyes on him was when he appeared at Inverness Sheriff Court charged with stalking her.

But even after he was released on bail, he continued to text her and message her friends and family – each time more threatening and menacing.

Silva became a fugitive when he fled to Portugal and was only brought to justice after a two-year legal battle to extradite him back to Scotland.

At Inverness Sheriff Court on Thursday, he was jailed for three years for stalking Jade. He is now awaiting deportation to serve the sentence in his homeland.

Sheriff David Sutherland also imposed a three-year non-harassment order against Silva.

Jade said yesterday: “I have never been so relieved in my life that it is finally over.

“I had never met the man. He was a stranger in the shadows to me.

“I was pregnant at the time with my daughter Lexi and I had no idea that he had seen me and become so obsessed.

“It all started so innocently – but since I didn’t know who he was, I didn’t want to know.

“But he became more frustrated and angry and then began demonstrating more and more bizarre and weird behaviour towards me and my daughter.

“I was absolutely terrified because it was someone I didn’t know or had ever seen that was a danger to me and my daughter.

“One message seemed to threaten to cut me to pieces. Another suggested that he would snatch my daughter and take her to another country.

“That made it all the more disturbing. It reminded me of Madeleine McCann and it was so worrying that I left Inverness for a while and I wasn’t coming back until I had alarms installed.

“I couldn’t live here looking over my shoulder all the time, wondering who was behind me and if he was a threat. He had gone on the run and it was so frightening having no idea when he may pounce.

“Now he has been jailed and I can try and live a normal life again – but he will be free in a couple of years.

“I just hope he is never allowed in the country again. He is dangerous.”

The court was told Silva first saw Jade in 2011 when she was chatting with friends in a Pizza Hut in an Inverness shopping centre. He instantly became infatuated and relentlessly pursued her from afar – initially in a benign way but then in a more sinister fashion.

After finding out her name, he used his IT skills to access her social media profile.

Silva was working in the Inverness area at the time and staying in a B&B. He didn’t know Jade, then just 19, but fiscal depute Ross Carvel said: “Following this encounter, Silva seems to have become infatuated with her.

“Over the following months and years he made significant, if bizarre, attempts to entice Jade Coyne into engaging into a relationship with him.

“Police gave him corrective advice and he was banned from the centre in August 2012.”

The court was told Silva managed to find out Jade’s mum’s name and gave her a letter for the teenager in April 2013, saying he had been trying to find her for 16 months.

The next day, Jade contacted the police and the day after that, they traced and detained Silva.

The court heard he was released on bail but continued to communicate with Jade, with one message threatening to “kick her ass” as he was “losing patience with her attitude”.

He also created several Facebook profiles in a bid to contact her, scaring her so much she fled Inverness.

Mr Carvel added: “She received another message which she found most disturbing with two knives on it, saying, ‘The next time I will see her I will take care of it… piece by piece…but no need to worry I like doing puzzles’.

“Another stated, ‘£5000 for Jade Coyne’s head!’ A later post made reference to ‘some guy’ being interested that would ‘do the job and get evidence like pictures of it done’.

“Throughout this campaign, Jade Coyne never made any contact in any manner, responded verbally or wrote to Silva.”
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/scotlands-most-wanted-stalker-put-6749156