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[G-Unit]

read the post..I said I'm all ears

Do you think Mark Williams-Thomas is wrong then? He says abduction following woke and wandered.

[Mr Gray]

Do you think Mark Williams-Thomas is wrong then? He says abduction following woke and wandered.

he may be wrong...he may be right

[Mr Gray]

as I have said before...what accident would fit the bill

[stephen25000]

as I have said I am all ears ...about an hour ago...the silence is deafening

We have been through all this before.

Your opinion and that's all it is, counts for nothing.

Right now, it is abundantly clear SY has found nothing to show an abduction took place.

The reason for Madeleine's disappearance remains undetermined.

[Mr Gray]

We have been through all this before.

Your opinion and that's all it is, counts for nothing.

Right now, it is abundantly clear SY has found nothing to show an abduction took place.

The reason for Madeleine's disappearance remains undetermined.

the situation wont change
mccanns not suspects
no accident that fits the bill

I'm more than happy to be corrected

[Mr Gray]

We have been through all this before.

Your opinion and that's all it is, counts for nothing.

Right now, it is abundantly clear SY has found nothing to show an abduction took place.

The reason for Madeleine's disappearance remains undetermined.

You can bluster all you wish. That situation will not change.

why don't you tell us what evidence leads you to believe Maddie died in an accident

[stephen25000]

the situation wont change
mccanns not suspects
no accident that fits the bill

I'm more than happy to be corrected

The crime is undetermined.

Options remain on the table.

There are theories which also fit the bill, whether you like it or not.

[Mr Gray]

just to remind you Stephen...my day job requires that everything I do is evidenced based so I am used to assessing evidence. I've looked at the evidence in this case and considered all possibilities including involvement of the parents. my conclusion is abduction is by far the most probable ....and it seems SY agree with me.

[stephen25000]

just to remind you Stephen...my day job requires that everything I do is evidenced based so I am used to assessing evidence. I've looked at the evidence in this case and considered all possibilities including involvement of the parents. my conclusion is abduction is by far the most probable ....and it seems SY agree with me.

Just to remind you SY have found nothing and are merely chasing the tale of the donkey.

Your conclusion is irrelevant.

Crime remains undetermined.

FACT.

[Mr Gray]

Just read "The Ice Twins"...a little light reading...part of the plot is that children invariably survive a fall of 30 feet but not 40...sort of puts the fall off the sofa into persopective

[G-Unit]

Just read "The Ice Twins"...a little light reading...part of the plot is that children invariably survive a fall of 30 feet but not 40...sort of puts the fall off the sofa into persopective

Stranger abduction is extremely rare. Accidents involving children are fairly common. Usually they escape serious injury, but not always.

Falls
Around 10 children die as a result of falls each year - some from windows and balconies and the remainder mostly from stairs.
http://www.rospa.com/home-safety/advice/child-safety/accidents-to-children/#falls

Instant death is a rarity these days because hospitals will use life support even if the outlook is bleak. I would guess there was little hope here, but the doctors still put the child in ITC;

A two-year-old girl has died after suffering head injuries at a house in Ashton-under-Lyne.
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/two-year-old-girl-dies-after-falling-684244

There was definitely a dangerous set of stairs at the apartment, along with things to climb on;

[Mr Gray]

Stranger abduction is extremely rare. Accidents involving children are fairly common. Usually they escape serious injury, but not always.

Falls
Around 10 children die as a result of falls each year - some from windows and balconies and the remainder mostly from stairs.
http://www.rospa.com/home-safety/advice/child-safety/accidents-to-children/#falls

Instant death is a rarity these days because hospitals will use life support even if the outlook is bleak. I would guess there was little hope here, but the doctors still put the child in ITC;

A two-year-old girl has died after suffering head injuries at a house in Ashton-under-Lyne.
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/two-year-old-girl-dies-after-falling-684244

There was definitely a dangerous set of stairs at the apartment, along with things to climb on;

we have been all over this before......whilst accidents are common an immediate fatal accident is unheard of.....the 2 year old died the following day. At least you are now accepting no accident inside the apartment

[G-Unit]

we have been all over this before......whilst accidents are common an immediate fatal accident is unheard of.....the 2 year old died the following day. At least you are now accepting no accident inside the apartment

Years ago this death would probably have been instant or very quick. Medical advances allied with paramedical attendance, resuscitation and life support means the moment of death can be delayed nowadays. I have never suggested that death took place inside the apartment due to an accident.

This one was, like the other one, found immediately and put on life support. Who knows if either of them would have been able to be put on life support if there had been a delay?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2101485/British-girl-6-dies-falling-stairs-running-greet-cousins-family-holiday-Tenerife.html

[stephen25000]

Years ago this death would probably have been instant or very quick. Medical advances allied with paramedical attendance, resuscitation and life support means the moment of death can be delayed nowadays. I have never suggested that death took place inside the apartment due to an accident.

This one was, like the other one, found immediately and put on life support. Who knows if either of them would have been able to be put on life support if there had been a delay?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2101485/British-girl-6-dies-falling-stairs-running-greet-cousins-family-holiday-Tenerife.html

Two points.

Not all accidents to young children are reported in the press.

Second as discussed before, injuries can be sustained with a delayed 'effect'.

[Mr Gray]

Years ago this death would probably have been instant or very quick. Medical advances allied with paramedical attendance, resuscitation and life support means the moment of death can be delayed nowadays. I have never suggested that death took place inside the apartment due to an accident.

This one was, like the other one, found immediately and put on life support. Who knows if either of them would have been able to be put on life support if there had been a delay?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2101485/British-girl-6-dies-falling-stairs-running-greet-cousins-family-holiday-Tenerife.html

no it would not have been instant or quick...it takes time for the pressure to build up in the brain to cause death...that's why if maddie had had a head injury the mccanns would know immediate hospital treatment would save her life