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stephen25000

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« Reply #225 on: July 17, 2015, 11:02:31 AM »
Or when it becomes clear to their lawyer that they are about to be fitted up?   Why would any sane person want to help the police to frame them?

Her we go again.

It all comes down sooner or later that someone was trying to frame the mccanns.

Offline pathfinder73

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« Reply #226 on: July 17, 2015, 07:16:10 PM »

"But the difference is my daughter is still alive."  Steve Aisenberg to Marc Klaas. Classy!

Marc Klaas, whose 12-year-old daughter Polly was abducted from her bedroom and murdered in 1993. Like Steve and Marlene, he had been treated like a suspect, interrogated, polygraphed. He hated it, but he said he answered every last question the police asked, hoping something he said would help bring Polly home. "It's not fair, but you have to be strong," he said.
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Alfred R Jones

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« Reply #227 on: July 17, 2015, 08:03:58 PM »

"But the difference is my daughter is still alive."  Steve Aisenberg to Marc Klaas. Classy!

Marc Klaas, whose 12-year-old daughter Polly was abducted from her bedroom and murdered in 1993. Like Steve and Marlene, he had been treated like a suspect, interrogated, polygraphed. He hated it, but he said he answered every last question the police asked, hoping something he said would help bring Polly home. "It's not fair, but you have to be strong," he said.
What point relevant to the McCann case are you trying to make?

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« Reply #228 on: July 17, 2015, 10:08:41 PM »
One could ask what has the ex PJ inspector Cristovaos (who was not involved in the case)  arrest for burglery got to do with Madeleine Mccanns disppearance but someone saw fit to make it a thread on here


Re the Aisenbergs

The listening apparatus must have been rubbish as most of the "talk" was unintelligble and this was the FBI??? I personally "did" hear "the baby is dead and buried" .I could be wrong. All the rest was garbled.

There are similarities between this and the Mccann case and probably several others where a missing baby or young child was never found or said perpetrators

- no evidence or witnesses
- child has never turned up
- both "left a door open"
- both criticised police very soon/stopped cooperating/ had an "attitude"
- The mothers lie detector test was failed/inconclusive
- both got high profile lawyers

It's a plain fact of life that people will look at whatever facts or non facts are out there and make their own judgements, wrongly or rightly.

It is also true cops sometimes target the wrong people but ths is rare

Kerry Needham has never come across as "dodgy" along with several others. There must be a reason for this. She seems very genuine to me and has never said or done anything to make me doubt her after all these years.

Alfred R Jones

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« Reply #229 on: July 18, 2015, 08:35:25 AM »
Kerry Needham was nowhere near her child when he disappeared.  If she'd been in the house at the time she'd probably be suspect number 1 in the eyes of some.

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« Reply #230 on: July 18, 2015, 08:37:50 AM »

Transcript - McCanns

7:56 It's certainly been the worst 4 months of our lives. Every day is very hard without Madeleine and we all miss her so much. It certainly feels like there's a big void in our life without her. Kate

8:12 I'm sure most people can imagine how bad it was that first night when we discovered her gone and how terrifying it was. It is as most parents would say - a parent's worst nightmare. Gerry

8:44 I think the key thing that we've tried to do is to channel all of our emotions and energy into influencing the search for Madeleine and that what drives us forward. That we do still have some influence on it. And as parents the last thing we want to do is look back in a few months time and say I wish we had done this. Gerry

9:17 We've also got two other children and it's very important that we're there for them as well. Kate

Our families have given us tremendous support, absolutely amazing. Gerry

10:45 She's pretty extrovert. She's very sociable and very engaging. She's bright and funny. She does have a sense of danger though even though she's very young. She does have a sense of danger.

11:03 We're clearly biased but Madeleine is close to the perfect child as you could get for someone who was so young, less that 4, when she was taken. She really is amazing. She's quite a leader I would say amongst her peers and she's engaging and it really affects people who've met her. Gerry

She has a lot of personality for someone as young as she is. Kate

Nothing like this has ever happened like going with anyone she didn't know for example. Gerry

13:26 She went sailing, she went to the beach, mini tennis. Did role play, singing, that's sort of thing and she really loved it. She was having a ball this holiday. Gerry

13:48 She's go so much energy Madeleine and that was one thing even our friends commented on while we were there. Wow she keeps going. Kate

14:10 Portugal has a tremendous reputation for being child friendly to start with. Luz itself, everyone was saying nothing ever happens here. It was incredibly quiet. Gerry

We felt very very safe. Nothing struck us as unusual. Kate

We were off-season, the last week in April beginning of May and it was very quiet. We felt that is was virtually an idyllic holiday really. Gerry

18:54 I knew straight away she had been taken. Well put it this way I knew she hadn't walked out of the apartment. Kate

I have to say when I got there and Kate told me and when I looked at the scene as well I had absolutely no doubt. But our immediate reaction was to double and triple check. We did do that both in the apartment and in the vicinity. And then we said call the police and one of our friends alerted both the resort manager and the police. Gerry

19:33 And that was within 5 minutes or so it was very quick. Kate

It was all done very quickly. And to the credit of the tour operators Mark Warner. They had a large number of their staff back in organising a missing child alert. All the staff came in off-duty and started searching the complex and the beach etc. different areas. And many other holiday makers and people who live in the village joined that search. Gerry

20:56 We can't talk in any detail about it. It was pretty much a normal day but what we can't do is talk about detail of our actual movements on that day in case it prejudices the investigation. Gerry

21:14 Did something happen between the beginnning of the day and the time she disappeared? Something different?

21:15 No no. Gerry

24:45 What we do know is that we don't know where she is. We don't know who's taken her and we don't know why. But given the very extensive searching both in the first week or two and again four weeks ago there's still no evidence of serious harm to Madeleine that we know of and that gives us hope that she could still be alive. Gerry

25:24 It's a horrible situation. It's the not knowing. Not knowing what's happened. How she is? What's she going though? How long it's going on for? If we ever get a conclusion. Kate

Because you tend to imagine the worst and we found that particularly hard early on. The not knowing means it's incredibly difficult to move on. You don't know if that person's alive or dead or being hurt or being looked after which still could be the case with Madeleine. Obviously we pray that it could be something like that. Gerry

29:55 We want to do everything in our power to influence the search for Madeleine. Gerry

32:22 We don't know whether she would have been found by this time in any other country given the same circumstances. We're not going to give up on Madeleine and we're going to keep looking for her. Gerry

39:52 You just gotta keep hoping really that they're going to find her. That's the bottom line. We're not detectives. Like everybody else we can speculate but speculation doesn't help. Kate

The hardest thing I think is and this would be the case whether we were in Britain, the United States or any other country. It's difficult because Madeleine hasn't be found and you don't know if she would have been found by this time in any other country given the same circumstances. And also additionally we've learned a lot about child abduction both in Europe and also from North America where they have the best collection of statistics. And there are lots of individual cases of children being recovered after long abductions. Gerry

40:51 That's the key message that there is hope and other families have proven that there is hope until you know for certain and that's what we are very much and all our family believe. We' not going to give up on Madeleine and we're going to keep looking for her. Gerry

42:16 Do you rely on the expertise of Portuguese police?

We have to rely on them. They are the investigating police force. They're professionals, they are detectives and use to dealing with serious crime. Clearly in this case they have had assistance from the UK police who have provided some specialist support and of course the investigation we've stated all along is the most likely chance of us finding her. Gerry

45:29 I think that's what it is. It's a theory. Gerry

There's always been a possibility that she might not be alive even from the very first minute we realised she wasn't there. We spent for first 3 or 4 days we couldn't think of anything else. That's all we could think of. That's she'd been taken and killed. And obviously has time goes on and it's nearly 4 months now and we still don't have any evidence to say that she's dead. There's still that hope even if it's a small hope there's still that chance she's alive. The worst thing you can do is write off a child and give up if there's still a chance she's alive. Kate

52:36 I can't do this any more. I just want to press a button and we're all gone and it's all finished and we're all together. Kate

54:48 We never asked to be put in this situation and we certainly would never have wanted to be in the media spotlight early on. And the vast majority of the time the media have actually treated is very well and with a degree of respect and shown some respect for our feelings as well.

I mean although obviously we don't plough through the papers we've got an idea of what's been said. There has been quite a lot of upsetting stuff recently and there's been a lot of fabrication as well I think that's fair to say which has been very upsetting. Kate

55:29 Some of the things that have been written are incredibly hurtful to us considering what we're actually going through any way to imply.......No one knows whether Madeleine is dead but to have people stating it and that we are involved in it is incredibly hurtful and I also feel it damages the investigation and it smears the campaign. And it causes a great deal of anxiety to our family as well. Gerry

56:37 Kate you always carry that child's toy. It belonged to Madeleine. Why are you always with that toy?

It's Madeleine's favourite cuddly toy and you know she took it to bed with her every night or if she was tired or not feeling very well she always had it as a comfort. And I suppose it's special to Madeleine so it's special to me really and I just feel that bit closer to her. Kate

She's got a rival for it now though - Madeleine's younger sister wants to adopt it. There's a bit of a fight between the ladies in the house. Gerry

58:14 It's not easy you know. It really isn't easy and some days are better than others. Kate

Other days do you want to give all this up?

Give up and stop looking for Madeleine. Gerry

There's days when you think I can't do this any more. I just want to press a button and we're all gone and it's all finished and we're all together and gone whatever! But you can't you know. Kate

59:15 It's very hard to think about leaving Portugal, Praia da Luz mainly because this is the last time we saw Madeleine was in PDL so it's incredible hard to move away from there. But logically I know that Madeleine could be any where, unfortunately Madeleine could be any where so whether I'm here or or in the UK or elsewhere in Europe I don't know how far I'm from her. Whether I'm one mile from her or a thousand miles from her it's still incredibly hard. Kate
« Last Edit: July 18, 2015, 08:43:07 AM by pathfinder73 »
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Mr Gray

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« Reply #231 on: July 18, 2015, 08:52:09 AM »
Why do people take the 5th ?

Oh yes, NOT TO IMPLICATE THEMSELVES.

Are you suggesting that the 5th amendment has been put there to protect the guilty...do you really believe that

stephen25000

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« Reply #232 on: July 18, 2015, 09:31:43 AM »
Are you suggesting that the 5th amendment has been put there to protect the guilty...do you really believe that

That was never the intention as you well know.

However, don't try and kid me criminals don't use the 5th to protect themselves.

60 to 10. NICE...........................................


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« Reply #233 on: July 18, 2015, 09:54:38 AM »
That was never the intention as you well know.

However, don't try and kid me criminals don't use the 5th to protect themselves.

60 to 10. NICE...........................................

the 5th amendment is there to protect the innocent...so why should the innocent need protecting

stephen25000

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« Reply #234 on: July 18, 2015, 10:03:04 AM »
the 5th amendment is there to protect the innocent...so why should the innocent need protecting

Try reading again.

It would help.

Offline Mr Gray

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« Reply #235 on: July 18, 2015, 10:07:26 AM »
Try reading again.

It would help.

I understand why you are unable to answer the question...the 5th amendment is there to protect the innocent ..

the fact that it can be abused is a diversion...the welfare state is there to protect the poor.....just because some abuse it doesn't detract from it's purpose

stephen25000

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« Reply #236 on: July 18, 2015, 10:11:23 AM »
I understand why you are unable to answer the question...the 5th amendment is there to protect the innocent ..

the fact that it can be abused is a diversion...the welfare state is there to protect the poor.....just because some abuse it doesn't detract from it's purpose

You really are very slow today.

i'm perfectly aware of the purpose of the 5th.

Try to keep up, it would help enormously.

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« Reply #237 on: July 18, 2015, 10:13:59 AM »
You really are very slow today.

i'm perfectly aware of the purpose of the 5th.

Try to keep up, it would help enormously.

so you understand the right to silence was introduced to protect the innocent and is therefore used by the innocent for protection of their liberty.......good

stephen25000

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« Reply #238 on: July 18, 2015, 10:17:12 AM »
so you understand the right to silence was introduced to protect the innocent and is therefore used by the innocent for protection of their liberty.......good

and it can be abused.

OH YES.

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« Reply #239 on: July 18, 2015, 10:19:49 AM »
and it can be abused.

OH YES.

so can the powers of the police...as amaral has shown