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[Brietta]

It doesn't necessarily follow that Madeleine was targeted by an obsessive who may have had sight of her during any one of the activities she pursued when out and about with her family.
Although it is a possibility.

It could have been the apartment itself which was targeted awaiting only the arrival of a suitable family with a suitable child.

[ShiningInLuz]

It doesn't necessarily follow that Madeleine was targeted by an obsessive who may have had sight of her during any one of the activities she pursued when out and about with her family.
Although it is a possibility.

It could have been the apartment itself which was targeted awaiting only the arrival of a suitable family with a suitable child.

That possibility exists, particularly given that the complex uses mechanical locks and metal keys.  Anyone renting it even years earlier could have copied a key and simply waited.

With the passing of time before an abduction, any link to a long-gone occupant would have flown under the radar.

[Brietta]

That possibility exists, particularly given that the complex uses mechanical locks and metal keys.  Anyone renting it even years earlier could have copied a key and simply waited.

With the passing of time before an abduction, any link to a long-gone occupant would have flown under the radar.

I think apartment 5A with its dark recessed front door and the overhanging trees around the carpark, lent itself almost perfectly perfectly to illicit entry.

A few previous occupants were checked out, but only in relation to finding an explanation for Eddie's 'alert'.

[Brietta]

What is more precious than a child? and when was the last time one was held for ransom?  I can recall two ransom attempts; one in Australia when a young girl had a bomb (fake, I think, but real enough at the time) attached to her neck ... and was it a Guinness heir whose ear was sent to his family?

However ... just a reminder ...

**Snip
Police say one reading of Madeleine McCann's disappearance in Portugal in 2007 is that it has "all the hallmarks of a pre-planned abduction".
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-24528530

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Planned abduction may not even concern a particular child.  It may be any child.  The apartment in Luz may have been staked out.  Who can know what goes through the minds of these people.  But there can be no doubt that there are those who for their own reasons want a particular child for a particular reason not necessarily to be abused, which may be a valid reason to continue hoping that Madeleine is alive and well.

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**Snip
A HORRIFYING picture of the full scale of child abduction by strangers in Britain is revealed in a new shock report.
Last year 273 kids were targeted by predators they did not know who tried to — or did — snatch them.
Abductions by strangers made up nearly half of all the 592 reported snatches involving 675 children in the UK in 2011/12.
http://theukdatabase.com/uk-child-abusers-named-and-shamed/facts-and-stats-on-child-abuse/child-abduction-the-stats/273-uk-kids-abducted-in-a-year/

[stephen25000]

What is more precious than a child? and when was the last time one was held for ransom?  I can recall two ransom attempts; one in Australia when a young girl had a bomb (fake, I think, but real enough at the time) attached to her neck ... and was it a Guinness heir whose ear was sent to his family?

However ... just a reminder ...

**Snip
Police say one reading of Madeleine McCann's disappearance in Portugal in 2007 is that it has "all the hallmarks of a pre-planned abduction".
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-24528530

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Planned abduction may not even concern a particular child.  It may be any child.  The apartment in Luz may have been staked out.  Who can know what goes through the minds of these people.  But there can be no doubt that there are those who for their own reasons want a particular child for a particular reason not necessarily to be abused, which may be a valid reason to continue hoping that Madeleine is alive and well.

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**Snip
A HORRIFYING picture of the full scale of child abduction by strangers in Britain is revealed in a new shock report.
Last year 273 kids were targeted by predators they did not know who tried to — or did — snatch them.
Abductions by strangers made up nearly half of all the 592 reported snatches involving 675 children in the UK in 2011/12.
http://theukdatabase.com/uk-child-abusers-named-and-shamed/facts-and-stats-on-child-abuse/child-abduction-the-stats/273-uk-kids-abducted-in-a-year/

Yet not one solid piece of evidence that Madeleine was abducted.

Why do you give the figures for the UK ?

What about Portugal ?

[slartibartfast]

What is more precious than a child? and when was the last time one was held for ransom?  I can recall two ransom attempts; one in Australia when a young girl had a bomb (fake, I think, but real enough at the time) attached to her neck ... and was it a Guinness heir whose ear was sent to his family?

However ... just a reminder ...

**Snip
Police say one reading of Madeleine McCann's disappearance in Portugal in 2007 is that it has "all the hallmarks of a pre-planned abduction".
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-24528530

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Planned abduction may not even concern a particular child.  It may be any child.  The apartment in Luz may have been staked out.  Who can know what goes through the minds of these people.  But there can be no doubt that there are those who for their own reasons want a particular child for a particular reason not necessarily to be abused, which may be a valid reason to continue hoping that Madeleine is alive and well.

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**Snip
A HORRIFYING picture of the full scale of child abduction by strangers in Britain is revealed in a new shock report.
Last year 273 kids were targeted by predators they did not know who tried to — or did — snatch them.
Abductions by strangers made up nearly half of all the 592 reported snatches involving 675 children in the UK in 2011/12.
http://theukdatabase.com/uk-child-abusers-named-and-shamed/facts-and-stats-on-child-abuse/child-abduction-the-stats/273-uk-kids-abducted-in-a-year/

Of those, 52 kids were snatched, 203 were attempted abductions and 18 were unable to be verified.
The average age of the victim was 12 and three-quarters and most were girls.

[G-Unit]

Stranger child abduction
Nearly one-fifth of completed abductions recorded by police were perpetrated by a stranger (someone who was not known to, or recognised by, the victim). That’s nearly 50 a year. Some, but not all, result in sexual assault⁴.

Other abductions by a stranger may be excluded from police figures because they have been recorded as rapes or, very rarely, murders.

Four times as many attempted abductions by a stranger (186 in 2011/12) are recorded by police than completed abductions. Nearly two-thirds involved a perpetrator in a vehicle. Whilst most children suffered no injury, nearly half the victims were grabbed, dragged or held by the offender⁴.

Three-quarters of children abducted (or attempted to be abducted) by a stranger are girls. Victims of attempted stranger abduction have an average age of 11 years. Victims of completed abduction (with a clear sexual motive) have an average age of 14 years⁴.
http://www.childabduction.org.uk/index.php/the-facts

[Mr Gray]

Stranger child abduction
Nearly one-fifth of completed abductions recorded by police were perpetrated by a stranger (someone who was not known to, or recognised by, the victim). That’s nearly 50 a year. Some, but not all, result in sexual assault⁴.

Other abductions by a stranger may be excluded from police figures because they have been recorded as rapes or, very rarely, murders.

Four times as many attempted abductions by a stranger (186 in 2011/12) are recorded by police than completed abductions. Nearly two-thirds involved a perpetrator in a vehicle. Whilst most children suffered no injury, nearly half the victims were grabbed, dragged or held by the offender⁴.

Three-quarters of children abducted (or attempted to be abducted) by a stranger are girls. Victims of attempted stranger abduction have an average age of 11 years. Victims of completed abduction (with a clear sexual motive) have an average age of 14 years⁴.
http://www.childabduction.org.uk/index.php/the-facts

so 50 a year....how many of those result in the permanent  disappearance of the child...hardly any

[slartibartfast]

so 50 a year....how many of those result in the permanent  disappearance of the child...hardly any

So a highly unlikely occurrence then?

[Mr Gray]

So a highly unlikely occurrence then?

very rare

[slartibartfast]

very rare

So you would look at other scenarios rather than assume stranger abduction as the most likely solution.

[Mr Gray]

So you would look at other scenarios rather than assume stranger abduction as the most likely solution.

you misunderstand.....let me explain
what are the chances of a child being abducted....very...very..remote
what are the chances that Maddie was abducted...highly probable

I've considered the other scenarios

[slartibartfast]

you misunderstand.....let me explain
what are the chances of a child being abducted....very...very..remote
what are the chances that Maddie was abducted...highly probable

I've considered the other scenarios

Classic.

[Mr Gray]

Classic.

perhaps you could be more constructive rather than just simple name calling.....I see abduction as by far the most likely...as I have said before children don't roll off the sofa and die as amaral and many others expect us to believe. If you can give a scenario more likely than abduction I'm all ears...there simply isn't one

[stephen25000]

perhaps you could be more constructive rather than just simple name calling.....I see abduction as by far the most likely...as I have said before children don't roll off the sofa and die as amaral and many others expect us to believe. If you can give a scenario more likely than abduction I'm all ears...there simply isn't one

There are.

You won't accept any alternative for obvious reasons.