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[G-Unit]

no it would not have been instant or quick...it takes time for the pressure to build up in the brain to cause death...that's why if maddie had had a head injury the mccanns would know immediate hospital treatment would save her life

You may argue, but there are injuries that kill, especially if treatment is delayed. Severing the spinal cord can cause asphyxiation. This can happen with a fall.

[stephen25000]

You may argue, but there are injuries that kill, especially if treatment is delayed. Severing the spinal cord can cause asphyxiation. This can happen with a fall.

davel has already been given examples before.

He chooses to ignore what doesn't suit his agenda on here.

[Mr Gray]

You may argue, but there are injuries that kill, especially if treatment is delayed. Severing the spinal cord can cause asphyxiation. This can happen with a fall.

So not inside the apartment
But on the steps outside and nobody heard a thing
Ridiculous

[G-Unit]

davel has already been given examples before.

He chooses to ignore what doesn't suit his agenda on here.

I know, but I will continue to make the point because no matter how much the possibility is dismissed or ridiculed it's important to stress that it's still a possibility. People with open minds know that it's at least as likely as stranger abduction; probably more likely statistically.

@davel Why would it be noisy?

[Miss Taken Identity]

Two points.

Not all accidents to young children are reported in the press.

Second as discussed before, injuries can be sustained with a delayed 'effect'.

Like secondary drowning...

[Mr Gray]

I know, but I will continue to make the point because no matter how much the possibility is dismissed or ridiculed it's important to stress that it's still a possibility. People with open minds know that it's at least as likely as stranger abduction; probably more likely statistically.

@davel Why would it be noisy?

a child falling down steps would scream do you not think...you have no real idea how likely it is...where's your evidence

[Alfred R Jones]

Stranger abduction is extremely rare. Accidents involving children are fairly common. Usually they escape serious injury, but not always.

Falls
Around 10 children die as a result of falls each year - some from windows and balconies and the remainder mostly from stairs.
http://www.rospa.com/home-safety/advice/child-safety/accidents-to-children/#falls

Instant death is a rarity these days because hospitals will use life support even if the outlook is bleak. I would guess there was little hope here, but the doctors still put the child in ITC;

A two-year-old girl has died after suffering head injuries at a house in Ashton-under-Lyne.
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/two-year-old-girl-dies-after-falling-684244

There was definitely a dangerous set of stairs at the apartment, along with things to climb on;

So what do you imagine happened after she fell down the stairs and died immediately?

[G-Unit]

So what do you imagine happened after she fell down the stairs and died immediately?

Well, if that did happen Alfred. where is she?

[Alfred R Jones]

Well, if that did happen Alfred. where is she?

That's what I'm asking you!!  I don't think it did happen, you think it might have happened, if it did happen then it would have happened after 8.30pm, when the McCanns left the apartment, so when do you suppose she was found?

[G-Unit]

That's what I'm asking you!!  I don't think it did happen, you think it might have happened, if it did happen then it would have happened after 8.30pm, when the McCanns left the apartment, so when do you suppose she was found?

I never said it might have happened, I said it was just as possible as stranger abduction.

[G-Unit]

you are making statements that simply have no evidence base...simply your limited opinion...my mind is still completely open but unlike you.... I understand the evidence

The lack of evidence which 'proves' abduction you mean?

[Mr Gray]

The lack of evidence which 'proves' abduction you mean?

as I have said [ moderated abusive comment ] you would understand that abduction can be proved.....but first you would have to understand what proof means...and you don't

[Miss Taken Identity]

There is proof she left the apartment no one argues with that, however there is no proof WHO removed her and what her mortal state was/is  at that time.

Some people think the parents.
Some people think someone else/or a gang.

Both scenarios are open for discussion( without insults) and both probable.

McCanns and supporters have lost credibility and support.IMO  and the opinion is shared by a great many people.

[G-Unit]

as I have said [ moderated abusive comment ] you would understand that abduction can be proved.....but first you would have to understand what proof means...and you don't

[ moderated reply ]

Let's hear your proof of abduction then, and no, you haven't already provided it elsewhere, before you try that one again.

[Admin]

as I have said [ moderated abusive comment ] you would understand that abduction can be proved.....but first you would have to understand what proof means...and you don't

That is untrue davel so please refrain from posting speculation as fact.  Nobody knows what happened to Madeleine even now unless the person or persons who might have had an involvement in her disappearance.

There is no evidence to support an abduction and most definitely no proof that one took place.