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[Miss Taken Identity]

Obviously "the clucking one" has some significance somewhere ... I haven't a clue what you are on about.

You haven't a clue  sounds about right. Kate knew right away Maddie was abducted, so no need to go searching, devil is in the details.

Nice deflection though!

[Brietta]

You haven't a clue  sounds about right. Kate knew right away Maddie was abducted, so no need to go searching, devil is in the details.

Nice deflection though!

          What would a rational person assume on finding a bedroom window open and a child missing from her bed ?

[slartibartfast]

          What would a rational person assume on finding a bedroom window open and a child missing from her bed ?

You might assume they had woken and wandered and rush to get your partner and friends to help in the search.

[Miss Taken Identity]

          What would a rational person assume on finding a bedroom window open and a child missing from her bed ?

There is no evidence of open window. Only Kate said ...

what rational person who knew right away would look in cupboards for an abducted child in the arms of an abductor? how big was this supposed cupboard?  even more worrying are you suggesting the alledged abductor a dwarf?
...and to polish of your previous daft claim IF they could see and hear people at the apartment; why did Kate not just say "oh look  Maddie has been abducted come here right away and someone call the police". Too easy? what one are you going for?

[Brietta]

You might assume they had woken and wandered and rush to get your partner and friends to help in the search.

You might, but faced with the same scenario ... I rather doubt it.

[Alfred R Jones]

I thought there was a whole gang of them, all ready to play 'pass the parcel'

How hilarious.

[Alfred R Jones]

Not really. If he was carrying her like the Tannerman sketch or the Smithman sketch then by inspection ...................
But see my post 666 above.

So you think one abductor could reasonably carry three children at the same time?  I saw your post 666, very apt.

[Brietta]

There is no evidence of open window. Only Kate said ...

what rational person who knew right away would look in cupboards for an abducted child in the arms of an abductor? how big was this supposed cupboard?  even more worrying are you suggesting the alledged abductor a dwarf?
...and to polish of your previous daft claim IF they could see and hear people at the apartment; why did Kate not just say "oh look  Maddie has been abducted come here right away and someone call the police". Too easy? what one are you going for?

I see.  You are the arbitrator of what eye witnesses saw or did not see.

"why did Kate not just say "oh look  Maddie has been abducted come here right away and someone call the police"." WOW! ... how cool - calm - and collected is that when you have just discovered your child missing from her bed in a room you thought was secure but now has a raised shutter and an open window.

If only she had had your sang froid !!

As far as the positively legitimate hope against hope search of the apartment was concerned ... it not only confirmed the child was missing ... it confirmed there was no other person still in the apartment.

[slartibartfast]

You might, but faced with the same scenario ... I rather doubt it.

Why?

[Brietta]

Why?

You really need to ask?

[Miss Taken Identity]

You might, but faced with the same scenario ... I rather doubt it.

So you are now an expert on rational behaviour- based on hypothetical rhetoric? Nice! So to answer my question , you now being an expert, Would a rational person look in cupboards if they KNEW their daughter had been abducted... take your time with this one...

[Miss Taken Identity]

I see.  You are the arbitrator of what eye witnesses saw or did not see.

"why did Kate not just say "oh look  Maddie has been abducted come here right away and someone call the police"." WOW! ... how cool - calm - and collected is that when you have just discovered your child missing from her bed in a room you thought was secure but now has a raised shutter and an open window.

If only she had had your sang froid !!

As far as the positively legitimate hope against hope search of the apartment was concerned ... it not only confirmed the child was missing ... it confirmed there was no other person still in the apartment.

No, I have the right to chose to believe or not to believe. it is ALL ABOUT trust.

who said anything about being calm?  Brietta would have us believe ( there is that word again)  that the tapas 9 could see and hear all from the apartment where they were sitting. or rather dismissed Slartys mention of it.

Oh y'all keep a changin ya stories.... none on them seem to fit. shame that.

[Alfred R Jones]

Why are people being so utterly and deliberately obtuse on this issue?  Or is it just a complete lack of empathy?  Or perhaps simple stupidity?

Kate "knew" (her gut instinct told her) Madeleine had been taken, but she hoped against hope that she would be able to prove herself wrong by finding her child in the apartment, and that is why she looked in cupboards and wardrobes.

Is it really that hard to understand?

have you seriously never been in that situation yourself?  Knowing you left the car keys in the office but still checking your pockets and the key cupboard anyway, just in case you're wrong?

Of course you haven't!!

[Miss Taken Identity]

Why are people being so utterly and deliberately obtuse on this issue?  Or is it just a complete lack of empathy?  Or perhaps simple stupidity?

Kate "knew" (her gut instinct told her) Madeleine had been taken, but she hoped against hope that she would be able to prove herself wrong by finding her child in the apartment, and that is why she looked in cupboards and wardrobes.

Is it really that hard to understand?

have you seriously never been in that situation yourself?  Knowing you left the car keys in the office but still checking your pockets and the key cupboard anyway, just in case you're wrong?

Of course you haven't!!

Ahh  stupidity a word directed at thoe who did not leave their children alone to be 'abducted' 

Now here is the thing ALF. What in the hell is your /their story?

First you claim " is that when you have just discovered your child missing from her bed in a room you thought was secure but now has a raised shutter and an open window.

AND THEN...

Kate "knew" (her gut instinct told her) Madeleine had been taken.

So  you tell us.. HOW DID SHE KNOW?  was it gut instinct or the whooshing curtains, jemmied shutters and Maddie missing?. Because there was no bloody evidence it would have to be  gut instinct then. You want to go with that... check what Kate says, then get back to me.

You see what I mean by trying to make it all fit?   It, well, it just doesn't.

[faithlilly]

Why are people being so utterly and deliberately obtuse on this issue?  Or is it just a complete lack of empathy?  Or perhaps simple stupidity?

Kate "knew" (her gut instinct told her) Madeleine had been taken, but she hoped against hope that she would be able to prove herself wrong by finding her child in the apartment, and that is why she looked in cupboards and wardrobes.

Is it really that hard to understand?

have you seriously never been in that situation yourself?  Knowing you left the car keys in the office but still checking your pockets and the key cupboard anyway, just in case you're wrong?

Of course you haven't!!

On this I agree with you Alfie. So why did she not check that Jane hadn't heard Madeleine cry and taken her into her apartment ? A long shot maybe but no longer than believing she was in a cupboard.