Did Madeleine McCann meet the same fate as Aisling Symes?

[Alfie]

Luz is riddled with subterranean passages and drainage ducts, any child falling into an open drain might never be found.  Alternatively, we know that work was going on in the roads around OC on the day before Maddie disappeared and that there were excavations left open overnight.  Could she have fallen into such an excavation and the excavated earth fell in on top of her?  All very plausible and all have occurred before.

All very plausible for Madeleine to fall into a roadworks hole and then somehow be accidentally covered in the mound of earth left at the side?  Apparently this has occurred before so let's see some examples.

[Robittybob1]

All very plausible for Madeleine to fall into a roadworks hole and then somehow be accidentally covered in the mound of earth left at the side?  Apparently this has occurred before so let's see some examples.

This could account for the short term loss but over the years something would have surfaced.

[Alfie]

This could account for the short term loss but over the years something would have surfaced.

Could it?  You think a child would fall into road works and somehow manage to cover herself in earth in the process?  And the next day, the workmen, knowing full well a child has gone missing from the local vicinity wouldn't look at the hole and think - "hmm, that's odd, we didn't put all that earth in there last night" and just carry on business as usual?   You probably do actually, god knows why I'm asking you!

[pegasus]

Could it?  You think a child would fall into road works and somehow manage to cover herself in earth in the process?  And the next day, the workmen, knowing full well a child has gone missing from the local vicinity wouldn't look at the hole and think - "hmm, that's odd, we didn't put all that earth in there last night" and just carry on business as usual?   You probably do actually, god knows why I'm asking you!

Trenches were thoroughly investigated, but the open manhole reported by a witness was not.
"... I saw a manhole with the cover removed ... near the tapas restaurant and the Mccanns' apartment ... anyone could have fallen in ..." Processos page 4104

[Robittybob1]

Could it?  You think a child would fall into road works and somehow manage to cover herself in earth in the process?  And the next day, the workmen, knowing full well a child has gone missing from the local vicinity wouldn't look at the hole and think - "hmm, that's odd, we didn't put all that earth in there last night" and just carry on business as usual?   You probably do actually, god knows why I'm asking you!

I was considering drains more so than trenches.  You seem to be talking more of a deliberate burial.

[pegasus]

I was considering drains more so than trenches.  (snip)

There is no sign that PJ or SY ever followed up on this ... (Processos p4014)

[misty]

There is no sign that PJ or SY ever followed up on this ... (Processos p4014)

Do you believe that RM was the only witness to the uncovered manhole?

[Robittybob1]

Do you believe that RM was the only witness to the uncovered manhole?

Has someone got the full link to this observation?

[misty]

Has someone got the full link to this observation?

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PROCESSO_15a.htm

Scroll down to page 4014.

[pegasus]

Do you believe that RM was the only witness to the uncovered manhole?

There must certainly be at least one more witness - the unknown person who moved the cover and frame from the side of the road and replaced them onto the dangerous open hole.

[misty]

There must certainly be at least one more witness - the unknown person who moved the cover and frame from the side of the road and replaced them onto the dangerous open hole.

The difficulty is we don't know exactly when RM saw this uncovered manhole. It does not appear from his statement that he was involved in the searching overnight.

[pegasus]

The difficulty is we don't know exactly when RM saw this uncovered manhole. It does not appear from his statement that he was involved in the searching overnight.

It's clear that he saw the manhole open (cover removed) on the 3rd and then saw it closed (cover replaced) on the 4th. He describes the open manhole in a night-time context (easy to not see it in the dark despite the street-lights) therefore IMO he probably saw it open in the dark on evening of the 3rd.

[Robittybob1]

What road is being described Pegasus?  "

This manhole is situated on a junction of a road that runs parallel to the supermarket near to the Tapas Bar and the McCanns apartment. The cover along with the surround that been removed and placed to the side of the road.

[pegasus]

What road is being described Pegasus?  "

Don't know but IMO the road which fits the description best is ...
R Dr Francisco Gentil Martins

[Robittybob1]

Don't know but IMO the road which fits the description best is ...
R Dr Francisco Gentil Martins

I thought that was the road the other one was parallel to.  It could have been Rua Primeiro de Maio, Luz, Portugal.  Remember we discussing an accident along this road once before. Any road would have multiple drain covers along it.  Does anyone know the witness (Rex Morgan) to confirm the location?