Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Wasn’t it Harrison who suggested that the dogs be brought in?

Was it?  So what if it was?  I don’t care whether or not he thought the parents might have been guilty, but it seems important to you, why’s that?

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

So Harrison and Grime believed the parents were lying. So it wasn’t only Amaral and the PJ.

Now we get to the meat.

IMO Grime is more professional. He wouldn’t say they were “guilty”
or even “lying”. IMO he kept those thoughts to himself and, as instructed, used the dogs to assist with an investigation. He left the interpretation of results up to forensic science.

[faithlilly]

IMO Grime is more professional. He wouldn’t say they were “guilty”
or even “lying”. IMO he kept those thoughts to himself and, as instructed, used the dogs to assist with an investigation. He left the interpretation of results up to forensic science.

Indeed but the parents guilt must have been a factor in their considerations when deciding whether the dogs would be useful.

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

There was no dog alert in 4G, where the McCanns stayed for 2 months, and which was subjected to a dog search.

I'll leave you to do the hypotheticals.

That’s quite a significant fact. Thank you.

[misty]

Do you believe Grime and Harrison thought the parents had colluded in Madeleine’s disappearance?

You have two choices. Either Grime/Harrison thought the parents guilty....so the development of cadaver odour could be from 90 minutes onwards.

Or they believed there was an abductor so the cadaver odour developed in less that 60 minutes.

Either way by suggesting the deployment of the dogs Harrison must have believed that there was enough time for cadaver odour to develop.

Keela was not deployed to find cadaver odour. She could, however, have located small traces of blood, missed by the Portuguese CSI team on 4th May in 5A, which opened up the possibility of foul play by person(s) unknown.

[faithlilly]

Keela was not deployed to find cadaver odour. She could, however, have located small traces of blood, missed by the Portuguese CSI team on 4th May in 5A, which opened up the possibility of foul play by person(s) unknown.

Eddie was.

[misty]

Eddie was.

The dogs' remit wasn't restricted to areas related to McCanns or Murat. There were 4 dogs used in the 2014 search which covered a far smaller area than that which Eddie alone was tasked to examine.
Harrison should have known that cadaver dogs work in tandem, with one cadaver dog per handler.

[Robittybob1]

The dogs' remit wasn't restricted to areas related to McCanns or Murat. There were 4 dogs used in the 2014 search which covered a far smaller area than that which Eddie alone was tasked to examine.
Harrison should have known that cadaver dogs work in tandem, with one cadaver dog per handler.

I'm not sure I know what you mean by this: Harrison should have known that cadaver dogs work in tandem, with one cadaver dog per handler"  Could you explain it?

[Mr Gray]

Indeed but the parents guilt must have been a factor in their considerations when deciding whether the dogs would be useful.

And why shouldn't the parents guilt be a factor. This was very early in the investigation when every possibility should be explored... It's totally routine.  It doesn't mean Harrison thought the parents were guilty... It means quite rightly he was considering all possibilities.  Now 12 years later with no evidence against the parents it seems this question has been answered

[Eleanor]

In so far as I understood, the dogs were initially brought in to search the surrounding area, suggested by Harrison, and that 5a was an after thought.

I have read something to this effect but wouldn't know where to start looking.

[barrier]

In so far as I understood, the dogs were initially brought in to search the surrounding area, suggested by Harrison, and that 5a was an after thought.

I have read something to this effect but wouldn't know where to start looking.

Harrison doesn't make it sound like an after thought.

Re Visiting Previously Searched Areas.

In considering the two scenarios that Madeleine McCann has been murdered and her body disposed of by a person on foot or in a vehicle, I have reflected on the areas within zone 1 that have been previously searched or subject to forensic examination.

Mark Warner Creche at Praia Da Luz.

This is the location of the last confirmed sighting by a person independent of family members of Madeleine McCann. Although this location was within the original search area it may well benefit from a further search using enhanced detecting methods for human remains. This will depend on the size of any outside grounds and concealed areas inside the building.

McCann's Apartment.

The apartment in which the McCann's had stayed may present further
opportunities to search. The use of a specialist EVRD (Enhanced Victim
Recovery Dog) and CSI dog (human blood detecting dog) could potentially indicate on whether Madeline's blood is in the property or the scent of a dead body is present. In relation to the dead body scent if such a scent is indicated by the EVRD and no body is located it may suggest that a body has been in the property but removed. This search process could be repeated in all the apartments that were occupied by the friends holidaying with the McCann's.

[Mr Gray]

Harrison doesn't make it sound like an after thought.

Re Visiting Previously Searched Areas.

In considering the two scenarios that Madeleine McCann has been murdered and her body disposed of by a person on foot or in a vehicle, I have reflected on the areas within zone 1 that have been previously searched or subject to forensic examination.

Mark Warner Creche at Praia Da Luz.

This is the location of the last confirmed sighting by a person independent of family members of Madeleine McCann. Although this location was within the original search area it may well benefit from a further search using enhanced detecting methods for human remains. This will depend on the size of any outside grounds and concealed areas inside the building.

McCann's Apartment.

The apartment in which the McCann's had stayed may present further
opportunities to search. The use of a specialist EVRD (Enhanced Victim
Recovery Dog) and CSI dog (human blood detecting dog) could potentially indicate on whether Madeline's blood is in the property or the scent of a dead body is present. In relation to the dead body scent if such a scent is indicated by the EVRD and no body is located it may suggest that a body has been in the property but removed. This search process could be repeated in all the apartments that were occupied by the friends holidaying with the McCann's.

I dont see why it should be considered significant if the mccans wre considered supects in the early days ..its normal police practice...but i think its clear they are not considered suspects now

[Vertigo Swirl]

He also suggests taking thr dogs into Murat’s house, and the Tapas group’s apartments.  Clearly he was open minded, not intent on focusing in on the McCanns solely.

[barrier]

I dont see why it should be considered significant if the mccans wre considered supects in the early days ..its normal police practice...but i think its clear they are not considered suspects now

Eleanor thought 5a was an after thought,it doesn't seem so.

[Eleanor]

Eleanor thought 5a was an after thought,it doesn't seem so.

It certainly wasn't the first thought.