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Offline lordpookles

Re: Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.
« Reply #210 on: January 23, 2015, 11:41:30 PM »
Cars are not airtight. Air gets in and gets out even in a brand new car. Google it. For instance when you drive by a sewage works or a rubbish dump with all your windows up you still smell that poo/trash right?

Offline misty

Re: Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.
« Reply #211 on: January 23, 2015, 11:55:23 PM »
Cars are not airtight. Air gets in and gets out even in a brand new car. Google it. For instance when you drive by a sewage works or a rubbish dump with all your windows up you still smell that poo/trash right?

My daughter drove her 6 yr old Peugeot through a 2ft deep "puddle" during floods last year. No water got into the interior.

Offline lordpookles

Re: Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.
« Reply #212 on: January 23, 2015, 11:58:07 PM »
Of course a car is designed to be waterproofed up to a certain degree for instance when it rains, but not airtight.

Offline misty

Re: Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.
« Reply #213 on: January 23, 2015, 11:59:19 PM »
If Eddie indicated at the door seal close to where the key was located, why didn't he indicate at the cupboard door immediately behind which Cuddlecat was located?

Offline lordpookles

Re: Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.
« Reply #214 on: January 24, 2015, 12:05:59 AM »
No idea about that. I have not watched the video in full just bits. Maybe whatever smell he was alerting to(I am not suggesting this was definitley cadaver odour by the way as that is impossible to know) could have been less concentrated on the toy.

I have heard/read one of the biggest factors that cause these dogs to give false alerts is cueing by the handler. I am not suggesting this is definitley what Grimes did as some direction is standard I think, but it seems from the brief reading I have done this can be a problem.

Offline Brietta

Re: Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.
« Reply #215 on: January 24, 2015, 12:21:14 AM »
The film is spliced.

Made to look as tho it was filmed in one go, but it was not it seems.

Madeleine photos showing in the car when Eddie barks are no longer there when Martin returns.

The film is spliced.


How long between the two shootings, I wonder?   &%+((£


My eyesight isn't so good atm but I think I am right.

The film is certainly spliced ... the vehicle was moved between Levy shooting Eddie's activities and shooting Keela's.

Unless someone can point out the time and date stamp on them ... these are not the evidential videos shot by the PJ.

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Offline Brietta

Re: Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.
« Reply #216 on: January 24, 2015, 12:24:14 AM »
If Eddie indicated at the door seal close to where the key was located, why didn't he indicate at the cupboard door immediately behind which Cuddlecat was located?

If Eddie alerted to a blood spot at the door ... why did he ignore the blood spot in the boot?
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline faithlilly

Re: Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.
« Reply #217 on: January 24, 2015, 12:27:46 AM »
No idea about that. I have not watched the video in full just bits. Maybe whatever smell he was alerting to(I am not suggesting this was definitley cadaver odour by the way as that is impossible to know) could have been less concentrated on the toy.

I have heard/read one of the biggest factors that cause these dogs to give false alerts is cueing by the handler. I am not suggesting this is definitley what Grimes did as some direction is standard I think, but it seems from the brief reading I have done this can be a problem.

Consider this lordpookies.

The FBI have their own cadaver dog handlers, men they had trained and knew the standard of their work. Yet they decided to bring  Martin Grime, at great expense I'm sure, to America to help them find evidence of death in high profile cases. Now why do you think they did that ? They had their own men, so why go to all that unnecessary expense ?

Why, after viewing the videos we have all seen, did the FBI decide Grime's work with his dogs was of such a high standard that he would be an asset to their team ?

Why, if the faithful can see all the unconscious cuing that Grime was using towards his dogs, didn't the highly trained men of the FBI see it ?

Why if he was not executing the searches in a professional manner did the FBI employ him at all ?

Do you really think the FBI would employ a dog handler who was prone to unconscious cuing and whose handling of his dogs was dubious ?
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Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline misty

Re: Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.
« Reply #218 on: January 24, 2015, 12:35:45 AM »
If Eddie alerted to a blood spot at the door ... why did he ignore the blood spot in the boot?

Have you unearthed any information on how the dogs can differentiate between blood remains from a corpse & blood from a living person?
I have struggled to find anything of help, just as I can't find any scientific comparison of cooked human remains v cooked pig cadaver.

Offline faithlilly

Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline misty

Re: Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.
« Reply #220 on: January 24, 2015, 12:59:34 AM »
Consider this lordpookies.

The FBI have their own cadaver dog handlers, men they had trained and knew the standard of their work. Yet they decided to bring  Martin Grime, at great expense I'm sure, to America to help them find evidence of death in high profile cases. Now why do you think they did that ? They had their own men, so why go to all that unnecessary expense ?

Why, after viewing the videos we have all seen, did the FBI decide Grime's work with his dogs was of such a high standard that he would be an asset to their team ?

Why, if the faithful can see all the unconscious cuing that Grime was using towards his dogs, didn't the highly trained men of the FBI see it ?

Why if he was not executing the searches in a professional manner did the FBI employ him at all ?

Do you really think the FBI would employ a dog handler who was prone to unconscious cuing and whose handling of his dogs was dubious ?

How many times did the FBI employ him on cases?

Offline faithlilly

Re: Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.
« Reply #221 on: January 24, 2015, 01:05:01 AM »
How many times did the FBI employ him on cases?

What does that matter ? That they employed him in the first place is the interesting thing.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline misty

Re: Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.
« Reply #222 on: January 24, 2015, 01:10:55 AM »
What does that matter ? That they employed him in the first place is the interesting thing.

Just the once, then?

Offline sadie

Re: Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.
« Reply #223 on: January 24, 2015, 01:13:13 AM »
Cars are not airtight. Air gets in and gets out even in a brand new car. Google it. For instance when you drive by a sewage works or a rubbish dump with all your windows up you still smell that poo/trash right?
Doesn't come in thru the door seals though.  The door seals are designed and manufactured to be waterproof even in mighty storms, splashing thru puddles and going at 90 mph.

They are not going to let the slightest whiff of a smell out. 

And neither will the metal of the car



There is something weird about Eddie alerting there.  Really weird.

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Re: Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.
« Reply #224 on: January 24, 2015, 01:18:28 AM »
How many times did the FBI employ him on cases?

He was employed in a consultancy role for the development of the Forensic Canine Program.
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