Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.

[Brietta]

I'm watching a UK Customs programme.  They use drugs dogs on incoming packages because the dogs speed up searching mucho.

Doggie #1 alerts to two packages.  Don't ask me why but the Customs Officers are obliged to get permission to open the packages.

While they wait ...

They trot up doggie #2, who also picks out the suspect packages.

Then doggie #3, who alerts, and doggie #4, who also alerts.

Doggies 2-4 were considered to be on training, as the Officers had as then not been given permission to open the packages.  What had they been training on?

Then permission was given to proceed.

The shipment was books wrapped in cling film.  When opened, the books were hollowed out, and under a fairly simple blocker were packets of cocaine.

Total street value in excess of £1 million

That's 4 smart doggies, all for a reward of playing 'fetch' with a tennis ball.

And doggies 2-4 were training on cocaine.   

Therefore the alert made by dog #1 whose name we do not know, was corroborated by three others trained and training  in the same discipline  and the contraband was subsequently found and recovered.

The alerts made by Eddie were not corroborated by other cadaver dogs ... although the CSI dog trained only to alert to blood alerted to the car key fob and at the couch in 5A as Eddie did; nor was any contraband in the form of human remains recovered.

The contraband was proof of the intelligence supplied by the drug dogs;  there was no forensic proof for the intelligence supplied by Eddie.

[slartibartfast]

You are, way off the mark as usual... I'm not in the slightest riled about anything in this case..that's a typical ignorant.... In the true sense of the word.  ...sceptic comment

It's also as hom... Any chance you could address the substance of the post rather than the poster


Note to Rob... In the English language the word ignorant is used to mean a lack of knowledge.... Im not using it as an insult

Seriously, a 4.5 year old post?

[Mr Gray]

Seriously, a 4.5 year old post?

really....things are not always as they seem...my phone....if there is no internet signal ...may load a page from some time ago and it appears current...thats obviously whats happened here

[Mr Gray]

No evidential reliability... Grimes own words.
[too many ellipses hence makes the post nonsensical] and to me indicates the alerts themselves are unreliable.

you have once again unfairly edited my post...just because you dont understand it doesnt mean others dont. I do think the alerts are unreliable...   what do you think no evidential reliabilty means...... Grime tells us that the alerts only give the possibility of cadaver odour
another report to John re your editing of this post

[Mr Gray]

If I'm understanding the situations correctly there has been no court cases involving the dog alerts at  PdL or in Jersey as yet.  Therefore Martin Grime has not had to give evidence in these cases.

Grimes statemments are evidence...so he has given evidence

[slartibartfast]

really....things are not always as they seem...my phone....if there is no internet signal ...may load a page from some time ago and it appears current...thats obviously whats happened here

I’m on my phone, so what?

[Mr Gray]

I’m on my phone, so what?

I've just explained it in quite simple terms

[Vertigo Swirl]

Is there a rule against responding to old posts?  Perhaps old threads should be locked if so.

[Mr Gray]

Is there a rule against responding to old posts?  Perhaps old threads should be locked if so.

If there isn't one I'm sure someone will now find one

[Angelo222]

Is there a rule against responding to old posts?  Perhaps old threads should be locked if so.

No rule

[Vertigo Swirl]

No rule

great, so no problem then.

[Robittybob1]

We know what the dogs discovered... Grime had already made a statement

But I said court.  There has been no court case discussing the use of the dogs.

[Mr Gray]

But I said court.  There has been no court case discussing the use of the dogs.

we know what was found where the dogs alerted.....we dont need a court ....grime has made statements

[Robittybob1]

excellent example of dogs doing what they are trained for...finding evidence....I wonder how many times these dogs alert and nothing is found.

note the drugs were wrapped in cling film yet the brilliant dog still alerted....when the baby seat in the lane case was wrapped in brown paper morse failed to alert...of course the fact Grime couldnt see it when it was wrapped may have had something to do with it

Another note to moderators... I'm not accusing Grime of anything dishonest but.... Is there any evidence that unconscious operator cuing does or does not affect the alerts.  If Grime wants to be taken seriously scientifically this is something he needs to look at

"when the baby seat in the lane case was wrapped in brown paper morse failed to alert...of course the fact Grime couldnt see it when it was wrapped may have had something to do with it"

He said he couldn't see it even when it was partially opened.

[Mr Gray]

If I'm understanding the situations correctly there has been no court cases involving the dog alerts at  PdL or in Jersey as yet.  Therefore Martin Grime has not had to give evidence in these cases.

I asked what was found...your post has no relevance to the question