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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.
« Reply #330 on: July 02, 2019, 09:41:45 PM »
Let's pack all the dogs in then, eh?

You are not following the argument..

The dogs are useful tools.. They are very good at some things

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.
« Reply #331 on: July 02, 2019, 09:44:12 PM »
Grime wants the dogs to be scientifically validated... I totally agree with him

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.
« Reply #332 on: July 02, 2019, 09:46:57 PM »
What do you think... If you are going to continually contradict me it might be s good idea to know the facts
I found this statement by Grime:
"Please refer to my original report included in the summary (MG/1).
The interpretation of any alert is given when the dogs recognize a specific odour as a result of a response to the behaviour for which they were trained. This response must then be submitted to a forensic examination in order to draw conclusions."
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES_RIGATORY.htm

And:
"There is always a possibility of contamination of odours by transferral. EVRD does not make a distinction; he responds with a certain behaviour for which he was trained when he recognizes an odour. He does not identify the reasons for the presence of the odour nor does he identify suspects. Forensic confirmation and specialized investigation methods will determine the reasons and the suspicions. In order to undoubtedly affirm there must be a confirmation of the alert signals made by the dog."

So far he is only trained to alert when he finds odours he was trained to find.

Odours not evidence. Odours not things.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.
« Reply #333 on: July 02, 2019, 09:48:12 PM »
I found this statement by Grime:
"Please refer to my original report included in the summary (MG/1).
The interpretation of any alert is given when the dogs recognize a specific odour as a result of a response to the behaviour for which they were trained. This response must then be submitted to a forensic examination in order to draw conclusions."
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES_RIGATORY.htm

And:
"There is always a possibility of contamination of odours by transferral. EVRD does not make a distinction; he responds with a certain behaviour for which he was trained when he recognizes an odour. He does not identify the reasons for the presence of the odour nor does he identify suspects. Forensic confirmation and specialized investigation methods will determine the reasons and the suspicions. In order to undoubtedly affirm there must be a confirmation of the alert signals made by the dog."

So far he is only trained to alert when he finds odours he was trained to find.

Odours not evidence. Odours not things.



I develop methods of detecting forensically recoverable evidence by the use
of dogs and facilitate training.


That's from Grimes statement.... Odours are not forensically recoverable evidence
« Last Edit: July 02, 2019, 09:50:59 PM by Davel »

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.
« Reply #334 on: July 02, 2019, 09:52:15 PM »


I develop methods of detecting forensically recoverable evidence by the use
of dogs and facilitate training.
The forensic team recovers the evidence, the dog detects the odour in order to direct the forensic team where to look for the evidence.
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Offline The General

Re: Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.
« Reply #335 on: July 02, 2019, 09:52:40 PM »
You are not following the argument..

The dogs are useful tools.. They are very good at some things
I am following the argument.
« Last Edit: July 03, 2019, 01:18:52 AM by Brietta »
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Offline The General

Re: Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.
« Reply #336 on: July 02, 2019, 09:55:09 PM »


I develop methods of detecting forensically recoverable evidence by the use
of dogs and facilitate training.


That's from Grimes statement.... Odours are not forensically recoverable evidence
The semtex is the evidence, the dog found it under a car. Using his nose. To sniff.
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Offline pathfinder73

Re: Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.
« Reply #337 on: July 02, 2019, 09:55:59 PM »
How long is it there for..would it have lasted 3 months in 5a
3months in the outside flower bed ..what does the evidence tell us

Eddie detected Theresa Parker's cadaver scent 6 months later in a garage before her body was moved 30 miles away.

"Grime said Eddie then "hit" on an abandoned house next door. Testimony shows that house was never repaired after a fire gutted the inside and killed a child several years ago."
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline The General

Re: Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.
« Reply #338 on: July 02, 2019, 09:57:45 PM »
Eddie detected Theresa Parker's cadaver scent 6 months later in a garage before her body was moved 30 miles away.

"Grime said Eddie then "hit" on an abandoned house next door. Testimony shows that house was never repaired after a fire gutted the inside and killed a child several years ago."
Eddie is the man. No wonder 'supporters' are desperate to disparage his talents.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.
« Reply #339 on: July 02, 2019, 09:57:56 PM »
The forensic team recovers the evidence, the dog detects the odour in order to direct the forensic team where to look for the evidence.

Not picking... Grime trains the dogs... The purpose of training  is to detect evidence ...the dog detected attracta harrons corpse

Offline The General

Re: Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.
« Reply #340 on: July 02, 2019, 09:59:05 PM »
Not picking... Grime trains the dogs... The purpose of training  is to detect evidence ...the dog detected attracta harrons corpse
A what now?
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.
« Reply #341 on: July 02, 2019, 10:00:40 PM »
You are not following the argument..

The dogs are useful tools.. They are very good at some things
Repeat after me "The cadaver dog is trained to find odours not evidence nor objects".

Not picking... Grime trains the dogs... The purpose of training  is to detect evidence ...the dog detected attracta harrons corpse
No the dog detected the odour of the corpse, not the corpse.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.
« Reply #342 on: July 02, 2019, 10:01:58 PM »
The semtex is the evidence, the dog found it under a car. Using his nose. To sniff.

According to rob... Dogs don't find evidence

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.
« Reply #343 on: July 02, 2019, 10:03:32 PM »
That was found near to the killer's home so Eddie was searching there - it was not moved 30 miles away from the home as killer Sam Parker did.

The dog didn't find the body

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.
« Reply #344 on: July 02, 2019, 10:04:31 PM »
Repeat after me "The cadaver dog is trained to find odours not evidence nor objects".
No the dog detected the odour of the corpse, not the corpse.

The dig is trained to detect evidence... According to grime...