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Offline pathfinder73

Re: Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.
« Reply #195 on: January 23, 2015, 10:04:32 PM »
Course, dog alerts are notoriously affected by the presence or otherwise of posters.

That & the handlers fashion sense.

The dogs passed the body farm tests with flying colours. That's why the FBI wanted them.  This is what they're friend says:

Harrison also suggests that we use the skills of two totally remarkable dogs: the first an EVRD (Enhanced Victim Recovery Dog), achieves outstanding performance in the detection of human cadaver odour; the second, a CSI dog (Crime Scene Investigation) is capable of smelling the tiniest trace of blood, knowing how to recognise its human origin. To convince us of their capability and the extraordinary work carried out by these very special detectives in the course of over 200 investigations, he screens a video for us, showing their training and their intervention on the ground.

Eddie has been involved in a great number of cases, helping the police to resolve a good many riddles, thanks to his sense of smell. Even if the body has been moved, objects the body has touched have been contaminated by its odour, especially porous materials, fabrics, the upholstery in cars, etc. And that odour, Eddie knows how to recognise out of a thousand.

Keela, a scenes of crime specialist, is capable of locating particles of blood even after a place has been cleaned with chemical products or bleach. Sometimes, the residues are so microscopic they are missed by the instruments of the forensic police, as sophicticated as they are, and it's impossible to harvest them without taking all of what they are on.

Eddie is always the first to be brought onto a site. Once he has discerned the odour that he knows so well, it's Keela's turn to go into action, on the lookout for the slightest whiff of blood. The simultaneous presence of the two elements in a given place - blood and cavaver odours - is taken to indicate that a body has been there and that it's probably there that the death occurred.

The dogs' CV is impressive. Besides collaborating in hundreds of investigations, they passed the practical tests brilliantly at the FBI's "Body Farm," the only place in the world where human cadavers are used to simulate homicide scenarios and concealment of bodies. (TOTL)
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Re: Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.
« Reply #196 on: January 23, 2015, 10:06:53 PM »
Eddie never went in the car.

Beg pardon Keela  8(*(
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Offline Brietta

Re: Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.
« Reply #197 on: January 23, 2015, 10:08:17 PM »
Do you have much evidence of that? There has always been plenty of speculation The Mad Axe man Frank Mitchell (all Mitchells are related some have said on here  &%+((£) but little proof.
With reinforcing bars on 150 to 200 centres in both directions you would need to cut the corpse up into pretty small pieces first. The shuttering and reinforcement will have been inspected immediately prior to pour and some geezer is poking a 100 or 150 diameter vibrator about to aid air elimination and compaction, I think it might just be spotted somehow don't you?. It works in the movies and on The Sweeney and is a jolly jape but in real life?
I guess you think you know what  you are on about  8(>((

Merely going on the VRD's reaction ... ask WS for advice on dogs smelling cadavers through concrete he/she seems to be the doggie person on the forum.
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Offline slartibartfast

Re: Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.
« Reply #198 on: January 23, 2015, 10:13:41 PM »
Please try to remember that whatever Pig will have been used will have been ungutted.  So no Bacon Sandwiches.

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Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.
« Reply #199 on: January 23, 2015, 10:16:35 PM »
Merely going on the VRD's reaction ... ask WS for advice on dogs smelling cadavers through concrete he/she seems to be the doggie person on the forum.

Did he bark at the wall?

(You know how it looks & sounds when 'e barks, dontcha, like what 'e did at the 'neither persons of interest or suspects' 'ire car.)

Nah, 'e dittnt.
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Offline Brietta

Re: Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.
« Reply #200 on: January 23, 2015, 10:20:04 PM »
Did he bark at the wall?

(You know how it looks & sounds when 'e barks, dontcha, like what 'e did at the 'neither persons of interest or suspects' 'ire car.)

Nah, 'e dittnt.


Eddie was really very excited about that wall.

One wonders what his reaction might have been if his handler had stood beside it while banging it with his (gloved) hand.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.
« Reply #201 on: January 23, 2015, 10:25:56 PM »

Eddie was really very excited about that wall.

One wonders what his reaction might have been if his handler had stood beside it while banging it with his (gloved) hand.

Well, he certainly got a tad more excited once he'd had a good ole snort of that hire car belonging to the innocent parents of an abducted child who definitely isn't dead really guv, honest!
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Offline sadie

Re: Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.
« Reply #202 on: January 23, 2015, 10:28:19 PM »
Eddie only barked and alerted when he found the source of the scent coming out of the door seal. He didn't bark anywhere else in the underground car park so stop spreading myths.
Scent doesn't come out of door seals in modern cars unless there is a gross difference in air pressures. 

Door seals do not let any rain in .. and they would not let any scent out. 

They are made of impermeable material.

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.
« Reply #203 on: January 23, 2015, 10:31:52 PM »
Scent doesn't come out of door seals in modern cars unless there is a gross difference in air pressures. 

Door seals do not let any rain in .. and they would not let any scent out. 

They are made of impermeable material.

They ain't a 100% seal & they perish with age, more so in warmer climes, as it 'appens.
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Offline misty

Re: Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.
« Reply #204 on: January 23, 2015, 10:33:32 PM »
They ain't a 100% seal & they perish with age, more so in warmer climes, as it 'appens.

Hire cars tend to be on the new side.

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.
« Reply #205 on: January 23, 2015, 10:35:54 PM »
Hire cars tend to be on the new side.

They get a lot of use do doors, opening & closing again, that sort of stuff.
 
& sometimes it gets warm on the Algarve, weirdly enough.
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Offline sadie

Re: Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.
« Reply #206 on: January 23, 2015, 10:41:11 PM »
Yeah, weird that innit?


BUMPED:  Ferrymans response:

It is.

And particularly remembering that they were looking for Madeleine's blood, it is still more weird that Grime thought it might be found on the ignition key of a car hired 3 weeks after Madeleine was abducted.


Brilliant point Ferryman  8@??)(

Offline sadie

Re: Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.
« Reply #207 on: January 23, 2015, 10:57:53 PM »
Longer version, check out from One hour 19 mins, you can see his mouth actions. Watch longer and see what else has benn edited than shouldnt have been towards the end of garage filming, bet you don't find it.


The film is spliced.

Made to look as tho it was filmed in one go, but it was not it seems.

Madeleine photos showing in the car when Eddie barks are no longer there when Martin returns.

The film is spliced.


How long between the two shootings, I wonder?   &%+((£


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Offline sadie

Re: Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.
« Reply #208 on: January 23, 2015, 11:08:32 PM »
They ain't a 100% seal & they perish with age, more so in warmer climes, as it 'appens.
That was a fairly new car.  Hire cars are never old in our experiernce, and we have plenty of that, but the engines have sometimes been flogged to death.

Offline misty

Re: Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.
« Reply #209 on: January 23, 2015, 11:25:53 PM »
They ain't a 100% seal & they perish with age, more so in warmer climes, as it 'appens.
There were 3114km on the milo. when the McCanns hired the car.
How many door openings do you think took place?
Their winters are also comparable with UK winters, are they not?