Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.

[G-Unit]

Nothing Billy says is supported by witness statements unlike the watchers seen outside the McCann apartment in the run up to Madeleine's disappearance.  None of whom have been traced apart from supposition, unless you know better?

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The former senior investigating officer Lenny Harper said the dog, Eddie, gave officers enough evidence to widen their abuse investigation at the home.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-jersey-17337414

 ... and we know precisely how that turned out.  https://www.gov.je/sitecollectiondocuments/government%20and%20administration/r%20wiltshireoperationhavenredacted%2020081112%20jn.pdf

https://www.gov.je/sitecollectiondocuments/government%20and%20administration/r%20operation%20rectangle%20review%20of%20the%20efficient%20and%20effective%20use%20of%20resources%20201005%20bdo%20alto.pdf

Billy's choice of a time for the incident is supported by Russell's statement. His mention of POM's is supported by Gerry's statement.The fact that the children were left unsupervised is supported by Kate's statement. He has provided evidence of how long it takes for cadaver scent to develop.

People reported watchers who were not proved to be watching anything, just as people reported sightings of Madeleine which weren't her. There's no evidence whatsoever that anyone was watching anything on the evening of 3rd May.

[Brietta]

not only that..
If the Pj had managed to arrest and charge the mccanns...and the dna and the dog alerts had been deemd admissable..

i think the mccanns would have been found guilty


no wonder kate was worried

Kate was experiencing all this first hand and must have been terrified.  All done with absolutely no confirmation that Madeleine wasn't alive and needing rescue.  In my opinion the knowledge that Madeleine had no chance if she and Gerry were fitted up for something they did not do must have strengthened her resolve.

[Brietta]

Billy's choice of a time for the incident is supported by Russell's statement. His mention of POM's is supported by Gerry's statement.The fact that the children were left unsupervised is supported by Kate's statement. He has provided evidence of how long it takes for cadaver scent to develop.

People reported watchers who were not proved to be watching anything, just as people reported sightings of Madeleine which weren't her. There's no evidence whatsoever that anyone was warching anything on the evening of 3rd May.

These POM's are the things are they not?  VSWWABCWIO.

Some sightings which may have been relevant and which may even have been Madeleine were not known about until 2010 when Paiva revealed at the libel trial that he had them on file.
So we will never really know because no-one bothered to check at the time.

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Kate and Gerry McCann, both 41, learnt of the existence of the dossier of new information, including tips offs, license plate numbers and even photographs of children who could be their daughter, during a court hearing in Lisbon that ended Wednesday.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/7215353/Portuguese-police-ignored-Madeleine-McCann-leads.html

[Robittybob1]

VSWWABCWIO  - What is that?  Didn't come close to anything on Google.

[G-Unit]

These POM's are the things are they not?  VSWWABCWIO.

Some sightings which may have been relevant and which may even have been Madeleine were not known about until 2010 when Paiva revealed at the libel trial that he had them on file.
So we will never really know because no-one bothered to check at the time.

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Kate and Gerry McCann, both 41, learnt of the existence of the dossier of new information, including tips offs, license plate numbers and even photographs of children who could be their daughter, during a court hearing in Lisbon that ended Wednesday.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/7215353/Portuguese-police-ignored-Madeleine-McCann-leads.html

As you haven't commented, I assume you cannot deny that some witness statements add credibilty to Billy's scenario.

[Brietta]

VSWWABCWIO  - What is that?  Didn't come close to anything on Google.

Quite simply I am illustrating the current trend for abbreviation and 'text speech' which has invaded the forum of late and simply said ... "very soon we will all be communicating with initials only".

I believe it to be a very lazy means of communication and jargon which is open to misunderstanding and misinterpretation.

[Brietta]

As you haven't commented, I assume you cannot deny that some witness statements add credibilty to Billy's scenario.

Assume what you like ... that is your prerogative.  Just as it is mine to decide how and which posts are worth answering.

[Eleanor]

Quite simply I am illustrating the current trend for abbreviation and 'text speech' which has invaded the forum of late and simply said ... "very soon we will all be communicating with initials only".

I believe it to be a very lazy means of communication and jargon which is open to misunderstanding and misinterpretation.

I absolutely agree.  I don't know what anyone is talking about most of the time these days.

[Robittybob1]

The dogs are a highly valuable tool in recovering evidence
they detect cadaver odour with a very high degree of accuracy ...but
proper tests do not seem to have been carried out to test if they respond to remnant scent of other materials

That would be a never ending list wouldn't it? 

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

We are talking minutes after discovering their daughter dead righht?  Not many days later when they may have allowed themselves a fleeting smile or laugh. You appear to be telling me that the McCanns had the ability to act perfectly normal despite the immediate shock and distress of having caused their own child’s death.  I wonder how you came to this conclusion.

Well we would be talking two hours plus... but the bodies chemical response to extreme situations happens almost immediately. It would certainly constitute abnormal behaviour in this case but it does happen occasionally  that people who have just witnessed or committed the most shocking acts can act normally around others.

It's not as far fetched as believing highly trained specialist dogs that are proven by forensic science to be right 90-100% of the time suddenly and inexplicably start making mistakes.... and their mistakes are only towards items relating to one family.

We also know KM took a shower around the kids bedtime. We know it's implied in her first interview that she had a bath (but later when GM was there). We know that for some reason DP can't remember  that KM was dressed only in a towel and went to bizarre lengths to describe how everything was normal, no-one was in trouble, the children were very happy, "sort of standing" and "at peace". We know that falling is the number one cause of accidental home injury death.

[Eleanor]

Well we would be talking two hours plus... but the bodies chemical response to extreme situations happens almost immediately. It would certainly constitute abnormal behaviour in this case but it does happen occasionally  that people who have just witnessed or committed the most shocking acts can act normally around others.

It's not as far fetched as believing highly trained specialist dogs that are proven by forensic science to be right 90-100% of the time suddenly and inexplicably start making mistakes.... and their mistakes are only towards items relating to one family.

We also know KM took a shower around the kids bedtime. We know it's implied in her first interview that she had a bath (but later when GM was there). We know that for some reason DP can't remember  that KM was dressed only in a towel and went to bizarre lengths to describe how everything was normal, no-one was in trouble, the children were very happy, "sort of standing" and "at peace". We know that falling is the number one cause of accidental home injury death.

Supposition and Speculation.

[Lace]

Well we would be talking two hours plus... but the bodies chemical response to extreme situations happens almost immediately. It would certainly constitute abnormal behaviour in this case but it does happen occasionally  that people who have just witnessed or committed the most shocking acts can act normally around others.

It's not as far fetched as believing highly trained specialist dogs that are proven by forensic science to be right 90-100% of the time suddenly and inexplicably start making mistakes.... and their mistakes are only towards items relating to one family.

We also know KM took a shower around the kids bedtime. We know it's implied in her first interview that she had a bath (but later when GM was there). We know that for some reason DP can't remember  that KM was dressed only in a towel and went to bizarre lengths to describe how everything was normal, no-one was in trouble, the children were very happy, "sort of standing" and "at peace". We know that falling is the number one cause of accidental home injury death.

Were they 'sort of standing'  and 'at peace'   I thought they were looking at story books whilst Kate had a quick shower.   

As for David Payne,  he probably looked away from Kate, it bit embarrassed probably.

I don't for one moment believe that the McCann's went to dinner to laugh and joke after an accident that killed Madeleine.   Jez said Gerry was normal talking normally.   The reaction to finding Madeleine was missing and not found was how they behaved correctly,  devastated, shocked,   totally inconsolable.   IMO

[Brietta]

Well we would be talking two hours plus... but the bodies chemical response to extreme situations happens almost immediately. It would certainly constitute abnormal behaviour in this case but it does happen occasionally  that people who have just witnessed or committed the most shocking acts can act normally around others.

It's not as far fetched as believing highly trained specialist dogs that are proven by forensic science to be right 90-100% of the time suddenly and inexplicably start making mistakes.... and their mistakes are only towards items relating to one family.

We also know KM took a shower around the kids bedtime. We know it's implied in her first interview that she had a bath (but later when GM was there). We know that for some reason DP can't remember  that KM was dressed only in a towel and went to bizarre lengths to describe how everything was normal, no-one was in trouble, the children were very happy, "sort of standing" and "at peace". We know that falling is the number one cause of accidental home injury death.

So giving as full a statement to the police as possible counts as going to "bizarre lengths".  I think that is a really weird opinion to hold. 

[G-Unit]

Supposition and Speculation.

But based on evidence, unlike supposition and speculation about watchers, bloodlines, timelines, cadaver dog alerts, cadaver  dog handlers and what people 'must' have been thinking/feeling.

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

Supposition and Speculation.

No it's not.

Dog alerts according to forensic science reports are accurate 90-100% of the time.

KM says she has a shower during the bedtime routine.

DP claims he can't remember that KM was only dressed in a towel when he called.

DP says he went into the apartment and saw the children and that he was there for around five minutes. KM says he was at the patio door and was there for 30 seconds. DP can't describe where in the apartment he went. These are doctors trained to recount facts. 30 seconds v 5 minutes is a massive inconsistency between two doctors recounting the same event. DP does describe the children as "at peace" but also goes to lengths to say they were all awake, and happy, normal, content.

Falling is the the number one cause of accidental home injury death

...." 00:39:55 Reply "But err certainly enough time just to see, you know, certainly the apartment, there was nothing that was untoward, that was you know err the children all looked extremely happy, there was no, you know signs of any problems with err you know Kate, you know or indeed the relationship that Kate had got with any of the three children. None of the children had been told off, none of the children looked like they were you know in trouble for anything, you know they were err still all talking and playing around. Err so you know it was just a very err transient you know that I'd gone in there, but as I say it just struck me how well they all looked.'

1485 "Yeah.'
 Reply "And content I suppose is the other word to use.'

1485 "Did you actually go into the apartment''
 Reply "I did.'

1485 "Or did you do the conversation from the door''
 Reply "No, definitely was inside the apartment, you know whether it be two or three steps into the apartment or you know however many, but I was definitely in the apartment.'

00:41:00 1485 "Okay, so now what I'm gonna try and ask you to recollect, what everybody was wearing.'
 Reply "I'm afraid that is, you know I'm, I cannot recall at all. I know that's, you'd think that'd be an obvious thing to remember, I cannot remember. As I say the, from the children point of view predominantly I can remember the, you know, white, but I couldn't say exactly what they were wearing. Err''
 1485 "But could you remember what Kate was wearing for example''
 Reply "I can't, no.'

1485 "And did you actually set eyes on each individual child''
 Reply "All three children I saw, yeah.'

1485 "And were they standing up' Sitting down''
 Reply "Err they were generally standing up, yeah."

 (From DP's interview with UK Police)