Does publicly "doubting" the McCanns add to the distress of the McCann family?

[carlymichelle]

What gave you the impression that I believed online discussion isnt't as bad now?  It's as bad as it's always been!

so why do you read it if it upsets you so badly??

[faithlilly]

so why do you read it if it upsets you so badly??

Very good point Carlymichelle.

[Alfred R Jones]

Gerald and Kate McCann are a part of this family and they have made it abundantly clear in my opinion that doubting their story is not allowed. This thread is about doubting not abusing unless you equate the two? I haven't seen any abusive posts, but I haven't been here all that long.

Tell me, if you encountered Kate McCann's mother or Gerry's sister at a social function would you feel perfectly comfortable expressing your doubts about their relatives' honesty to them face to face?  if your kids encountered their kids at a birthday party would you be happy if your kids told them they believed their parents knew where Madeleine was?

[Mr Gray]

Very good point Carlymichelle.

you must be the only person in the world who thinks that was a good point

[faithlilly]

you must be the only person in the world who thinks that was a good point

Fair enough 

[carlymichelle]

Tell me, if you encountered Kate McCann's mother or Gerry's sister at a social function would you feel perfectly comfortable expressing your doubts about their relatives' honesty to them face to face?  if your kids encountered their kids at a birthday party would you be happy if your kids told them they believed their parents knew where Madeleine was?

kids are more honest  then most  adults.....

[carlymichelle]

faithlily the  thing is the internet  scares mcann supporters they know that people are free to say what they like  not all country internet laws are the same and  imo the mcanns and supporters have been terrifed of that this whole time .  With  24 hour news now  too child neglect is always in the news too and it isnt tolerated 

without the internet  gerry and kate wouldnt of  got any judging about their terrible parenting and thats how  the mcann supporters would have loved it to be  but  social media has made  the anti social behaviour of the mcanns  accountable

[Mr Gray]

faithlily the  thing is the internet  scares mcann supporters they know that people are free to say what they like  not all country internet laws are the same and  imo the mcanns and supporters have been terrifed of that this whole time .  With  24 hour news now  too child neglect is always in the news too and it isnt tolerated 

without the internet  gerry and kate wouldnt of  got any judging about their terrible parenting and thats how  the mcann supporters would have loved it to be

any chance of that in English so we can all understand

[Brietta]

How on earth can a disorganised relatively small bunch of online folk possibly "derail Operation Grange"? Explain, please.

And when there is complete, total, 100% anti-doubting in the mass media, why is that not enough?

However pathetic you may think their action are you suggesting they did not make the attempt?

What do you mean there is 100% anti doubting in the mass media ... in the country where it matters, where Madeleine disappeared and the active investigation continues ... examples of press and television coverage have been less than edifying.

[Alfred R Jones]

faithlily the  thing is the internet  scares mcann supporters they know that people are free to say what they like  not all country internet laws are the same and  imo the mcanns and supporters have been terrifed of that this whole time .  With  24 hour news now  too child neglect is always in the news too and it isnt tolerated 

without the internet  gerry and kate wouldnt of  got any judging about their terrible parenting and thats how  the mcann supporters would have loved it to be  but  social media has made  the anti social behaviour of the mcanns  accountable

What good has "internet judging" of the McCanns achieved?

[Lyall]

However pathetic you may think their action are you suggesting they did not make the attempt?

What do you mean there is 100% anti doubting in the mass media ... in the country where it matters, where Madeleine disappeared and the active investigation continues ... examples of press and television coverage have been less than edifying.

But you can't blame what may happen in Portugal on online folk over here can you?

I genuinely have no idea what you mean by people trying to derail the review/investigation. All I saw was people wondering aloud just what it's aims were/are - there have been numerous FOI requests, but what else?

[Brietta]

faithlily the  thing is the internet  scares mcann supporters they know that people are free to say what they like  not all country internet laws are the same and  imo the mcanns and supporters have been terrifed of that this whole time .  With  24 hour news now  too child neglect is always in the news too and it isnt tolerated 

without the internet  gerry and kate wouldnt of  got any judging about their terrible parenting and thats how  the mcann supporters would have loved it to be  but  social media has made  the anti social behaviour of the mcanns  accountable

That certainly casts a light into the darkness and sums up for me exactly what trial by internet and the people associated really entails.

[Brietta]

But you can't blame what may happen in Portugal on online folk over here can you?

I genuinely have no idea what you mean by people trying to derail the review/investigation. All I saw was people wondering aloud just what it's aims were/are - there have been numerous FOI requests, but what else?

I responded to your reference to press coverage ... and media coverage in Portugal is pertinent to that.

As a matter of interest ... why do you think there have been "numerous FOI requests" directed at Operation Grange?

[G-Unit]

How on earth can a disorganised relatively small bunch of online folk possibly "derail Operation Grange"? Explain, please.

And when there is complete, total, 100% anti-doubting in the mass media, why is that not enough?

It is a rather grand claim I have to say. In most cases police conclusions can only be questioned after the event. The McCann case is very different because people have access to the initial case files. So when Operation Grange cleared 'Tannerman' people were able to point out that he was going the wrong way if he was a dad taking his child home from the creche. When they kind of hinted that the Smith family helped to create the efits shown on Crimewatch the files said different. I see this as a good thing as it may keep the police on their toes and ensure they get their facts right. In fact these two examples suggest to me that the Met. police may have an entirely undeserved reputation as an excellent force! We would know nothing if it wasn't for the internet as the McCanns silenced any doubts expressed by the mainstream media .

Yes Alfred. I'm a lot of things but a coward isn't one of them. I would be perfectly comfortable informing the McCann's relatives that I have doubts about their story, but I probably wouldn't be crass enough to do it at a social function unless they raised the matter first, then I would reply.

I would not discuss this case with children except in the simplest of terms. If my children found out details from others I would discuss it with them and make sure they had a balanced view. Hopefully they would be brought up well enough not to bait others at a party and if they did so they would be in trouble with me. (I do have some,  the youngest is 46)

[Lyall]

I responded to your reference to press coverage ... and media coverage in Portugal is pertinent to that.

As a matter of interest ... why do you think there have been "numerous FOI requests" directed at Operation Grange?

 &%+((£ I've read about them on a well-known forum? (I think!)