Does publicly "doubting" the McCanns add to the distress of the McCann family?

[Lyall]

Which Mirror front pages have terrified you?  We can't do anything about facebook, I thought I'd made that clear several times, nor am I demanding that something is done, what makes you think otherwise?

This one for instance.



I'm wondering why you keep mentioning facebook chat when we all agree there's nothing we can do about extremists there and elsewhere?

[Brietta]

I know, and what Sky News and their allies did gave those people a big boost.

You can't blame us.

Lyall, you seem like a reasonably sensible chap and that makes you one of a minuscule minority in my opinion.  Were I you I would not be so keen to align myself with a lumpen herd by including myself in the we and us to whom you refer.

You run the risk of being jointly and severally tarred with the same stick.

[G-Unit]

Lyall, you seem like a reasonably sensible chap and that makes you one of a minuscule minority in my opinion.  Were I you I would not be so keen to align myself with a lumpen herd by including myself in the we and us to whom you refer.

You run the risk of being jointly and severally tarred with the same stick.

What is a lumpen (displaced people who have been cut off from the socioeconomic class with which they would ordinarily be identified) herd? Who are the reasonably sensible minuscule minority? Hope no-one's getting the feathers out as well as the tar! Were I you Lyall, I would make my own mind up and not join either the herds or the minuscule minorities.

[stephen25000]

Lyall, you seem like a reasonably sensible chap and that makes you one of a minuscule minority in my opinion.  Were I you I would not be so keen to align myself with a lumpen herd by including myself in the we and us to whom you refer.

You run the risk of being jointly and severally tarred with the same stick.

'align myself with a lumpen herd'

You already have.

A very small band who support the mccanns with abject devotion.

[Alfred R Jones]

This one for instance.



I'm wondering why you keep mentioning facebook chat when we all agree there's nothing we can do about extremists there and elsewhere?

that headline does not cast doubt on the McCanns version of events.  This thread is about publicly doubting the McCanns and does it cause distress.  I'm not ofering solutions to this issue, simply asking questions, I hope that's OK with you?

[stephen25000]

that headline does not cast doubt on the McCanns version of events.  This thread is about publicly doubting the McCanns and does it cause distress.  I'm not ofering solutions to this issue, simply asking questions, I hope that's OK with you?

Why should you believe the mccanns ?

How do you know they told the truth?

[Mr Gray]

Why should you believe the mccanns ?

How do you know they told the truth?

One..because they have given us no reason not to believe them...Gerry scratching his ear doesn't count but it seems to be some kind of proof to you

[stephen25000]

One..because they have given us no reason not to believe them...Gerry scratching his ear doesn't count but it seems to be some kind of proof to you

Their accounts of events lack consistency and have changed.

Why are you taking the ear tugging so personally ?

and yes, is a a classic non-verbal response.

[Alice Purjorick]

'align myself with a lumpen herd'

You already have.

A very small band who support the mccanns with abject devotion.

Lumpens are apparently large bovine creatures, similar to Yaks, which inhabit the plains of Silesia.

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[Brietta]

Lumpens are apparently large bovine creatures, similar to Yaks, which inhabit the plains of Silesia.

Later

Oxford Dictionaries

Definition of lumpen in English:
adjective

Example
The lumpen s..m whose abuse made him flip the finger last Monday night, at the end of the England game, know exactly what Becks is about.
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/lumpen



Glad to have raised some speculation about the meaning and use of a word in our language ... above is an example of exactly what I intended ... I would never, never insult a bovine creature with comparison to the herd I have in mind.

I was thinking more along the lines of people who are content to post bile on the internet, organise themselves into like minded groups which take pleasure in abusing the family of a missing child for eight years ... and think it is appropriate behaviour to which they are entitled.

[stephen25000]

Oxford Dictionaries

Definition of lumpen in English:
adjective

Example
The lumpen s..m whose abuse made him flip the finger last Monday night, at the end of the England game, know exactly what Becks is about.



Glad to have raised some speculation about the meaning and use of a word in our language ... above is an example of exactly what I intended ... I would never, never insult a bovine creature with comparison to the herd I have in mind.

I was thinking more along the lines of people who are content to post bile on the internet, organise themselves into like minded groups which take pleasure in abusing the family of a missing child for eight years ... and think it is appropriate behaviour to which they are entitled.

The membership of the herd you belong to is obvious.

A small herd at that with a diminishing membership, as can be seen in the Mail's comments section yesterday.

[G-Unit]

Lumpens are apparently large bovine creatures, similar to Yaks, which inhabit the plains of Silesia.

Later

Couldn't find that definition but given the context how about this;

used to describe people who are not clever or well educated, and who are not interested in changing or improving their situation:
the lumpen proletariat (= unskilled working people)
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/british/lumpen

Not that any of them apply to me, I am clever and well-educated and I can prove it. At the age of 40 I returned to education and got 2 A Levels and one O Level in one year (All 'A's) and then a 2-1 from the University of Warwick, which is in the top 10 of UK universities. This improved my situation quite well. 

[stephen25000]

Couldn't find that definition but given the context how about this;

used to describe people who are not clever or well educated, and who are not interested in changing or improving their situation:
the lumpen proletariat (= unskilled working people)
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/british/lumpen

Not that any of them apply to me, I am clever and well-educated and I can prove it. At the age of 40 I returned to education and got 2 A Levels and one O Level in one year (All 'A's) and then a 2-1 from the University of Warwick, which is in the top 10 of UK universities. This improved my situation quite well. 

Nice one.

[Lyall]

Oxford Dictionaries

Definition of lumpen in English:
adjective

Example
The lumpen s..m whose abuse made him flip the finger last Monday night, at the end of the England game, know exactly what Becks is about.



Glad to have raised some speculation about the meaning and use of a word in our language ... above is an example of exactly what I intended ... I would never, never insult a bovine creature with comparison to the herd I have in mind.

I was thinking more along the lines of people who are content to post bile on the internet, organise themselves into like minded groups which take pleasure in abusing the family of a missing child for eight years ... and think it is appropriate behaviour to which they are entitled.

You and Alfie keep mentioning these group when I think we all agree none of them are here, so what is the aim if it isn't to smear us with their behaviour?

You'll note that nobody keeps posting that one of the two forums supporting Madeleine's parents was shut down and erased because of its behaviour.

We don't mention it because it's not relevant to discussion here. Neither is your mentioning of facebook.

[G-Unit]

You liked that one Stephen?

 

@ Brietta. Is that what you were suggesting Lyall was in danger of becoming? I have seen no bile or abuse being posted by Lyall or anyone else on here.