Does publicly "doubting" the McCanns add to the distress of the McCann family?

[carlymichelle]

the only  sympathy i will ever have is for maddie  she  was   only a  child adults know right  from  wrong

[G-Unit]

You are perpetuating a myth...the mccanns have silenced no one...it is the law of the land which has silenced some....do you want us to suspend the law of libel just so that it does not apply..Who do you imagine believes EVERYTHING the press say...most of us read the press critically. As far as I am concerned it is the unthinking sheep who have believed what they have raed in the press who are on here criticising the McCanns. The archiving report in the files...says that there is no evidence of criminal behaviour..or words to that effect by the MCCanns...do you believe that

The law never concluded that the media had libelled the McCanns, it never reached court. It did in Portugal and very few of their claims were proved. I never said people believe everything the press say, Brietta did, and so have you! The report said that the result of the refusal by the McCann's friends to return for a reconstruction had this effect;

We believe that the main damage was caused to the McCann arguidos, who lost the possibility to prove what they have protested since they were constituted arguidos: their innocence towards the fateful event; the investigation was also disturbed, because said facts remain unclarified.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/LEGAL_SUMMARY.htm

[Mr Gray]

The law never concluded that the media had libelled the McCanns, it never reached court. It did in Portugal and very few of their claims were proved. I never said people believe everything the press say, Brietta did, and so have you! The report said that the result of the refusal by the McCann's friends to return for a reconstruction had this effect;

We believe that the main damage was caused to the McCann arguidos, who lost the possibility to prove what they have protested since they were constituted arguidos: their innocence towards the fateful event; the investigation was also disturbed, because said facts remain unclarified.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/LEGAL_SUMMARY.htm

Anyone who believes everything the press say is an unthinking sheep  is what you said..


The archiving report never requested the McCAnns to PROVE their innocence...they didn't use the word provar they used the word comprovar...which means to demonstrate...it's a bad transaltion which I picked up...wonder how many more there are

[Lyall]

I started this thread simply to ask the question does publicly doubting the McCanns add to their distress  and to the distress of their nearest and dearest.  Most people who have commented on this thread seem to be of the opinion that it probably does, but for some, knowing that their actions may cause distress to csiblngs and grandparents, aunts and uncles of Madeleine McCann, this is not incentive enough to stop their online activities (which are not in many cases limited to this forum).  And there we have it.  Draw your own conclusions....

It will never stop entirely, whatever the future holds event-wise. But why would they read any of it? The case is discussed on Icke's forum but I'll bet very few of us bother reading it. Those involved in the case will surely just treat all discussion like we treat that in Ickeland, and ignore it. Why would they read facebook groups? Do you? I don't. Why would they?

[G-Unit]

IMO it's simply not true to claim the McCanns silence anyone who suggest they were involved in their daughter's disappearance.   There are people making that very claim - unchecked - on a daily basis and have done for years.

IMO many of the doubts began because of the massive lies printed in the press in 2007.   Even 8 years on - there are still people who believe them.   Many many more lies and myths have been added since then - also firmly believed by some as being the truth.

A quick read round other fora shows that to be the case.

@davel It wasn't Brietta I was answering. Sorry Brietta. blaming you for something you didn't say.

[Alfred R Jones]

It will never stop entirely, whatever the future holds event-wise. But why would they read any of it? The case is discussed on Icke's forum but I'll bet very few of us bother reading it. Those involved in the case will surely just treat all discussion like we treat that in Ickeland, and ignore it. Why would they read facebook groups? Do you? I don't. Why would they?

I have already explained that it doesn't require for those family members to actively seek out and read that shit themselves for it to potentially cause distress.  The aim of groups such as the facebook page Controversy and twitter is to recruit new "sceptics" and to spread their hateful agenda as far and as wide as possible.  These people actively latch onto other public interest stories in order to advertise their "doubts"  about the McCanns.  It is not beyond the realms of possibility that at school and at university (as an example) the twins will encounter people who have come across these fanatical posts and take great delight in using them to taunt, bully and mock two perfectly innocent young people.   I'm not for one second  suggesting that there is anything that can be done about it mind you, I just think it's another facet of this tragedy worth considering.  Sorry if you do not.

[Lyall]

I have already explained that it doesn't require for those family members to actively seek out and read that shit themselves for it to potentially cause distress.  The aim of groups such as the facebook page Controversy and twitter is to recruit new "sceptics" and to spread their hateful agenda as far and as wide as possible.  These people actively latch onto other public interest stories in order to advertise their "doubts"  about the McCanns.  It is not beyond the realms of possibility that at school and at university (as an example) the twins will encounter people who have come across these fanatical posts and take great delight in using them to taunt, bully and mock two perfectly innocent young people.   I'm not for one second  suggesting that there is anything that can be done about it mind you, I just think it's another facet of this tragedy worth considering.  Sorry if you do not.

I do, which is why I keep mentioning the newspaper front pages. They may be a thing of the past (or may not) but I'd argue they already have had more of influence.

[Brietta]

Give over, you're just using the thread to come out with gems like "some of the campaigns have actively tried to derail Operation Grange from its inception".

It's agenda-driven nonsense.

There is no doubt I will have provenance for any "agenda driven nonsense" I have posted . 

Rather than showing yourself up in what I believe are your true colours by demanding my silence, why don't you make a counter argument to refute?

If you have any case at all, what I say should be easy enough to contest

[Brietta]

I have already explained that it doesn't require for those family members to actively seek out and read that shit themselves for it to potentially cause distress.  The aim of groups such as the facebook page Controversy and twitter is to recruit new "sceptics" and to spread their hateful agenda as far and as wide as possible.  These people actively latch onto other public interest stories in order to advertise their "doubts"  about the McCanns.  It is not beyond the realms of possibility that at school and at university (as an example) the twins will encounter people who have come across these fanatical posts and take great delight in using them to taunt, bully and mock two perfectly innocent young people.   I'm not for one second  suggesting that there is anything that can be done about it mind you, I just think it's another facet of this tragedy worth considering.  Sorry if you do not.

I think you have made a very strong point there, Alfred.

Only two years ago I would not have believed the depths that are plumbed;  it is a sad reflection on our society;  sadly I think the parents will have to take professional advice on behalf of Madeleine's siblings to prepare them for their independent lives when they are bound to meet up with the virulence in some shape or form.

If that isn't abuse ... I'm not sure what is.

[Lyall]

There is no doubt I will have provenance for any "agenda driven nonsense" I have posted . 

Rather than showing yourself up in what I believe are your true colours by demanding my silence, why don't you make a counter argument to refute?

If you have any case at all, what I say should be easy enough to contest

It's nonsense not because you're wrong about what some people may have done (you may be right, I don't know) but because they never had the slightest chance of ever having the slightest influence on Home Office or the Met. Your rhetoric gives these people/groups too much importance, something they'll thank you for actually.

[Brietta]

It's nonsense not because you're wrong about what some people may have done (you may be right, I don't know) but because they never had the slightest chance of ever having the slightest influence on Home Office or the Met. Your rhetoric gives these people/groups too much importance, something they'll thank you for actually.

Will you kindly explain why my posts are such that alone of all the members of the forum you have suggested I go away?

Why do you think you have licence to behave like that?

I have as much right to highlight abuse which leads to distress for the targets of that abuse as you have to downplay the actions of the perpetrators.

If you disagree with the aims of this forum why don't you consider applying what you advised for me to yourself?

 

[Lyall]

Will you kindly explain why my posts are such that alone of all the members of the forum you have suggested I go away?

Why do you think you have licence to behave like that?

I have as much right to highlight abuse which leads to distress for the targets of that abuse as you have to downplay the actions of the perpetrators.

If you disagree with the aims of this forum why don't you consider applying what you advised for me to yourself?

  @ Downplay. It's you - as I said to Alfie - who are encouraging those people by making them sound more substantial than they are. But that's your business.

Those groups are not represented here, so why discuss them here. That's all I said.

[Alfred R Jones]

@ Downplay. It's you - as I said to Alfie - who are encouraging those people by making them sound more substantial than they are. But that's your business.

Those groups are not represented here, so why discuss them here. That's all I said.

we discuss many groups and individuals associated with this case who are not represented here, so why not these groups?  In any case, who is to say that members of some of the groups we are discussing do not also post here (though they may prefer not to admit it)?

[carlymichelle]

we discuss many groups and individuals associated with this case who are not represented here, so why not these groups?  In any case, who is to say that members of some of the groups we are discussing do not also post here (though they may prefer not to admit it)?

why do you care what other groups people belong too peoples online actives are none of your buissness either  are other peoples opinions the mcanns put themselves in the spotlight   with ther  child neglect that is everybodys buisness

[Brietta]

@ Downplay. It's you - as I said to Alfie - who are encouraging those people by making them sound more substantial than they are. But that's your business.

Those groups are not represented here, so why discuss them here. That's all I said.

This is my last post on the subject ... this happens to be a discussion forum ... which I think is probably unique in allowing all points of view to be aired ... and should be treasured as such.

You may not have noticed ... 'those people' need absolutely no encouragement from me or any one else to spout their bile ... they have been doing it for many years and they will continue to do it for many years more under various cheerleaders and against whoever takes their fancy at the time ... unless the law curbs the ringleaders.

I think the most valuable lesson for anyone reading this exchange today may be the exposure you have given to yourself.