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Offline Brietta

Re: The Smithman e-fits - are the McCanns less than happy with them?
« Reply #405 on: April 10, 2016, 03:03:55 PM »
Not just misunderstanding, but wasted time and effort by McCann private detectives concentrating on this sighting.

Are you referring to Oakley international?
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Gadfly1.3

Re: The Smithman e-fits - are the McCanns less than happy with them?
« Reply #406 on: April 10, 2016, 04:37:59 PM »
So to summarise a timeline.


October 2007 - Jane Tanner's e-fit of a man carrying a child released.
October 2013 -- Crimewatch airs.  Jane Tanner's abductor ruled out by SY, after six years of misunderstanding.  Smithman (below) identified for urgent tracking.
October 2013-today -- Jane Tanner's abudctor remains on the front page Find Madeleine website, that is maintained indirectly the McCann family.
August 2015 -- Smithman takes permanent position on the website -- but not on the front page.
April 2016 - 8 and a half years on from Tanner's sighting being ruled out by Scotland Yard ("We believe we have identified the man who was seen by Jane Tanner carrying a child at about 21.15 near the apartment G5A"), the image still remains on the front page.

Bewildering stuff.



@Jassi -- maybe a misunderstanding then that has led to a slower pace of investigation than this case needed.
« Last Edit: April 10, 2016, 04:53:05 PM by Gadfly1.3 »
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On 12 May 2011 the Metropolitan Police Service (MPS) announced that, at the request of the Home Secretary, it had agreed to bring its particular expertise to the Madeleine McCann case.

The then Commissioner, Sir Paul Stephenson, considered the request and took the decision that on balance it was the right thing to do. This was subject to funding being made available by the Home Office, as this case is beyond the MPS's jurisdiction.  The Portuguese authorities retain the lead.

Offline jassi

Re: The Smithman e-fits - are the McCanns less than happy with them?
« Reply #407 on: April 10, 2016, 05:05:33 PM »
Are you referring to Oakley international?

Investigators  in general.
As I recall, McCanns said something to the effect that they didn't have resources to pursue both Tannerman & Smithman, so went for Tannerman  which led nowhere.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Brietta

Re: The Smithman e-fits - are the McCanns less than happy with them?
« Reply #408 on: April 10, 2016, 05:56:48 PM »
Investigators  in general.
As I recall, McCanns said something to the effect that they didn't have resources to pursue both Tannerman & Smithman, so went for Tannerman  which led nowhere.

"As I recall" doesn't count as a cite, Jassie.  You may very well be correct but a cite would be good to back up your comment.

So all the investigators in general who were paid by the fund to investigate Madeleine's case were involved in efitgate? or do you think it might have been one firm in particular?
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline faithlilly

Re: The Smithman e-fits - are the McCanns less than happy with them?
« Reply #409 on: April 10, 2016, 06:34:17 PM »
"As I recall" doesn't count as a cite, Jassie.  You may very well be correct but a cite would be good to back up your comment.

So all the investigators in general who were paid by the fund to investigate Madeleine's case were involved in efitgate? or do you think it might have been one firm in particular?

SY seem to be satisfied with the credibility of the efit constructor.. Isn't that good enough ?
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Brietta

Re: The Smithman e-fits - are the McCanns less than happy with them?
« Reply #410 on: April 10, 2016, 06:47:28 PM »
SY seem to be satisfied with the credibility of the efit constructor.. Isn't that good enough ?

With all due respect ... Scotland Yard know exactly their purpose with regard to the the efit as well as its provenance ... posters like us on internet fora can only speculate.
Sometimes it is worth remembering that 'a little knowledge is a dangerous thing'.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline pathfinder73

Re: The Smithman e-fits - are the McCanns less than happy with them?
« Reply #411 on: April 10, 2016, 06:50:48 PM »
Truth of the Lie by G. Amaral

When Kate refers to the individual who allegedly abducted her child, she has no information other than that given to her by Jane, since she, herself, did not see him. But, the description she gives of him differs from that of Jane Tanner. The latter - extremely sure of herself, and who will be interviewed on several occasions - portrays a man dressed in light-coloured trousers, with hair down to his collar. Kate refers to long hair and jeans.

Gerald tells the police that Jane described to him - after midnight, during the night of May 3rd to May 4th - this stranger she allegedly saw going up the road; his hair was brown, he was between 30 and 40 years old and he was wearing light-coloured trousers. The first police officers to arrive on the premises are convinced that the parents put forward the hypothesis of abduction because Jane had talked about this man with the child. In their report, Jane's description is as follows: it was an individual dressed in light-coloured trousers and a dark shirt, he was 1.78m tall and was carrying a child, probably in pyjamas. She does not describe the pyjamas and doesn't mention any other detail.

Later, during the course of the morning of May 4th, the father gives the same brief description and refers back to Jane for additional details. The latter appears at the offices of the police judiciaire in Portimão at 11.30am. This time, the description is very precise: the individual, aged between 35 and 40, was thin and 1.70m tall; his hair was dark brown, falling over his collar; he was wearing cream or beige trousers, probably linen, a sort of anorak - but not very thick - and black shoes, classic in style. He was walking hurriedly, with a child in his arms. He was warmly dressed, the reason she thought he was not a tourist. The child appeared to be asleep - she only saw the legs -, had bare feet and was dressed in pyjamas, which were obviously cotton, light-coloured, probably white or pale pink, with a pattern - flowers maybe, but she isn't certain. Concerning the man, she states that she would recognise him from the back by his particular way of walking. The importance of this statement will be seen later.

Hardly fourteen hours have gone by since the child's disappearance and already Jane's version is known by many people. The father even referred to it during his statement, as can be seen above. Jane insists that she spoke solely to Gerald about this individual and then without going into details. It is only later that she related it all to the police.

Again, we notice an inconsistency. She was not aware, she says, of how Madeleine was dressed, which seems unlikely: on the night of the disappearance, Kate immediately gave a precise description of the clothes the little girl was wearing when she was put to bed.

Everybody knew they were looking for a little girl of nearly four, bare feet, dressed in light-coloured pyjamas on which there was a pink animal design. This description was relayed to all those who mobilised to find the child. How come Jane Tanner took no notice, she who, at that time, was the main witness in the case?
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Gadfly1.3

Re: The Smithman e-fits - are the McCanns less than happy with them?
« Reply #412 on: April 13, 2016, 09:21:49 PM »
Still no change on the FM website.   Did they not read SY's correspondence on Jane Tanner's sighting?

« Last Edit: April 13, 2016, 09:39:09 PM by Gadfly1.3 »
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On 12 May 2011 the Metropolitan Police Service (MPS) announced that, at the request of the Home Secretary, it had agreed to bring its particular expertise to the Madeleine McCann case.

The then Commissioner, Sir Paul Stephenson, considered the request and took the decision that on balance it was the right thing to do. This was subject to funding being made available by the Home Office, as this case is beyond the MPS's jurisdiction.  The Portuguese authorities retain the lead.

Offline pegasus

Re: The Smithman e-fits - are the McCanns less than happy with them?
« Reply #413 on: April 13, 2016, 09:42:10 PM »
Still no change on the FM website.   Did they not read SY's correspondence on Jane Tanner's sighting?
I doubt it Gadfly as they appear to have not even read their own documents they submitted to Companies House dated 21 Dec 2011 which as you can see removed the old object 2B.1.2.3 
 
« Last Edit: April 13, 2016, 09:46:49 PM by pegasus »

Offline pathfinder73

Re: The Smithman e-fits - are the McCanns less than happy with them?
« Reply #414 on: April 15, 2016, 11:30:30 PM »
This report is 18 months prior to efits released in Oct 2013.

NEW PHOTO CLUE TO MADELEINE MCCANN CASE

Sunday March 11,2012
By James Murray

Irishman Martin Smith and members of his family saw a man carrying a child in his arms at about 10pm, about 45 minutes after the Tanner sighting. However, he was not asked to help produce a photofit. The Met refuses to discuss the details but it is expected that officers will approach Mr Smith and his family for help. Yard experts are looking at ways of improving the images to end with one pristine likeness of the “suspect”.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/307369/New-photo-clue-to-Madeleine-McCann-case
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.