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Offline mercury

Re: The Smithman e-fits - are the McCanns less than happy with them?
« Reply #390 on: April 09, 2016, 11:50:20 PM »
I believe someone from the McCann camp has suggested SY asked them to leave Tannerman on their site.

And not feature Smithman ?
Yup strange and have not read a single explanation for this anomaly
« Last Edit: April 09, 2016, 11:59:17 PM by mercury »

Offline pegasus

Re: The Smithman e-fits - are the McCanns less than happy with them?
« Reply #391 on: April 10, 2016, 12:33:19 AM »
And not feature Smithman ?
Yup strange and have not read a single explanation for this anomaly
Smithman was added to their "Unidentified People of Interest to the Inquiry" page sometime in July 2015.

3 July 2015 Smithman is absent: http://web.archive.org/web/20150703163928/http://findmadeleine.com/campaigns/unidentified_people.html

1 Aug 2015 Smithman very belatedly appears: http://web.archive.org/web/20150801023740/http://findmadeleine.com/campaigns/unidentified_people.html

Offline mercury

Re: The Smithman e-fits - are the McCanns less than happy with them?
« Reply #392 on: April 10, 2016, 12:43:30 AM »
Smithman was added to their "Unidentified People of Interest to the Inquiry" page sometime in July 2015.

3 July 2015 Smithman is absent: http://web.archive.org/web/20150703163928/http://findmadeleine.com/campaigns/unidentified_people.html

1 Aug 2015 Smithman very belatedly appears: http://web.archive.org/web/20150801023740/http://findmadeleine.com/campaigns/unidentified_people.html
I know, nearly two years after crimewatch?
But still with NO context, of time and place, no different in any way to aussie woman.....which he WAS

maybe one of the supporters can put us right and explain why this is unimportant

Offline pegasus

Re: The Smithman e-fits - are the McCanns less than happy with them?
« Reply #393 on: April 10, 2016, 01:01:45 AM »
I know, nearly two years after crimewatch?
But still with NO context, of time and place, no different in any way to aussie woman.....which he WAS

maybe one of the supporters can put us right and explain why this is unimportant
On their "unidentified people of interest" page the supposed yacht-based child vendor woman of barcelona docks gets a fuller description than smithman does.

Offline misty

Re: The Smithman e-fits - are the McCanns less than happy with them?
« Reply #394 on: April 10, 2016, 01:17:30 AM »
I can only think that Crecheman has provided SY with information far more relevant & tangible which allowed the timeline to be moved on. Smithman is just a loose end to be tied up.

Offline mercury

Re: The Smithman e-fits - are the McCanns less than happy with them?
« Reply #395 on: April 10, 2016, 01:20:39 AM »
I can only think that Crecheman has provided SY with information far more relevant & tangible which allowed the timeline to be moved on. Smithman is just a loose end to be tied up.

If timeline was moved on then smithman cant be a loose end?

Offline mercury

Re: The Smithman e-fits - are the McCanns less than happy with them?
« Reply #396 on: April 10, 2016, 01:21:40 AM »
On their "unidentified people of interest" page the supposed yacht-based child vendor woman of barcelona docks gets a fuller description than smithman does.

We know all this, we know smithman efits have been ignored and other tenuous ones promoted

Offline misty

Re: The Smithman e-fits - are the McCanns less than happy with them?
« Reply #397 on: April 10, 2016, 01:27:55 AM »
If timeline was moved on then smithman cant be a loose end?

Why not? If Crecheman holds the key to how Madeleine was taken from 5a, Smithman's sighting may well be unimportant as far as solving the case is concerned but needing to be cleared in the event of anyone eventually accused trying to use Smithman as a defence.

Offline mercury

Re: The Smithman e-fits - are the McCanns less than happy with them?
« Reply #398 on: April 10, 2016, 01:32:24 AM »
Why not? If Crecheman holds the key to how Madeleine was taken from 5a, Smithman's sighting may well be unimportant as far as solving the case is concerned but needing to be cleared in the event of anyone eventually accused trying to use Smithman as a defence.

What?
How does crecheman hold the key if he was an innocent dad
Really dont  follow

Offline misty

Re: The Smithman e-fits - are the McCanns less than happy with them?
« Reply #399 on: April 10, 2016, 01:38:36 AM »
What?
How does crecheman hold the key if he was an innocent dad
Really dont  follow


Crecheman was passing the front of 5a at around 9.15pm - after the "first door-move". Maybe he saw something, people in the car park, shutters being opened, a child being put into a car......who knows - just not a person dressed in similar attire to himself/Smithman.

Offline pathfinder73

Re: The Smithman e-fits - are the McCanns less than happy with them?
« Reply #400 on: April 10, 2016, 02:03:49 AM »
Why not? If Crecheman holds the key to how Madeleine was taken from 5a, Smithman's sighting may well be unimportant as far as solving the case is concerned but needing to be cleared in the event of anyone eventually accused trying to use Smithman as a defence.

It's not hard to work out how Smithman did it when you do a forensic analysis of the timeline. He had the luck of the Irish smiling on him on that quiet Thursday night but the Irish may come back to haunt him.

The police should have been contacted straight away and no tampering of the crime scene. Gerry was saying his daughter was abducted by paedos (McKenzie) but didn't urgently call the police straight away. You have to ask the question WHY NOT? That doesn't add up any way you try and twist it!
« Last Edit: April 10, 2016, 02:07:55 AM by pathfinder73 »
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline misty

Re: The Smithman e-fits - are the McCanns less than happy with them?
« Reply #401 on: April 10, 2016, 02:33:54 AM »
It's not hard to work out how Smithman did it when you do a forensic analysis of the timeline. He had the luck of the Irish smiling on him on that quiet Thursday night but the Irish may come back to haunt him.

The police should have been contacted straight away and no tampering of the crime scene. Gerry was saying his daughter was abducted by paedos (McKenzie) but didn't urgently call the police straight away. You have to ask the question WHY NOT? That doesn't add up any way you try and twist it!

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GRAHAM-MCKENZIE.htm

15- Processos Volume 15 Page 3903
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 Crimestoppers Bureau

Force : Leicestershire

Date: 16/09/2007

*snipped*
Caller name: Graham McKenzie

Mr McKenzie states that:

On e hour into the search by holiday makers of the hotel and surrounding areas, about 23.00 hrs, Mr McKenzie approached the McCann's apartment from the bushes at the rear of the apartment.

He was searching the gardens. He did not know it was the McCann's apartment.

He saw Mr Gerry McCann standing alone in the doorway at the rear of the apartment talking on his mobile telephone.

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 HOLIDAY MAKER  06 DEC  07

Surname : Mackenzie

Forenames: Graham

Occupation : Company partner

Statement date: 06-12-2007

*snipped*

It was later that evening around 10 ' 11 that I heard a commotion on the complex, I decided to go out and see what was going on. I walked round a saw a group of people gathered. John Hill the resort manager was there with some of the Mark Warner staff. I heard that a little girl called Maddie was missing, at that point I did not realise which child it was. John Hill was organising a search of the complex as it was thought that she had wandered off at that point in time. I let (my wife) know what was going on and went to join the search. I went to search the area around the back of our apartment where there is a little garden with a big palm tree in the middle. I was looking in the shrubbery and the little gardens to the apartments.

I worked my way around the area, eventually coming around the back of the tennis courts and up towards what I now know to be the McCanns apartment a couple of hours later. I was looking in the little gardens on the poolside of that block, I was in the end garden when I heard a male voice, he sounded distraught his voice cracking with emotion. I looked to see who I now know to be Gerry McCann stood above me on the balcony/patio about 3 metres away speaking on a mobile phone. I cannot recall his exact words but I got the impression that he was speaking to perhaps a family member or someone he was very close to due to the nature of his conversation.

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The call to the police had already been made, P/F, at 2241.
Both the above entries in the files show the time the witness overheard the phone call  later than 2241.

Offline pegasus

Re: The Smithman e-fits - are the McCanns less than happy with them?
« Reply #402 on: April 10, 2016, 02:51:53 AM »
Witness McKenzie's description of the phonecall he overheard:

"Mr McCann was absolutely distraught telling the person receiving the call that he feared she had been taken by paedophiles"

"He said something along the lines of there being paedophile gangs in Portugal and that they had abducted Madeleine. I was so shocked by this, having originally thought that she had just wandered off."
« Last Edit: April 10, 2016, 03:03:18 AM by pegasus »

Offline Gadfly1.3

Re: The Smithman e-fits - are the McCanns less than happy with them?
« Reply #403 on: April 10, 2016, 12:53:29 PM »
So to summarise a timeline.


October 2007 - Jane Tanner's e-fit of a man carrying a child released.
October 2013 -- Crimewatch airs.  Jane Tanner's abductor ruled out by SY, after six years of misunderstanding.  Smithman (below) identified for urgent tracking.
October 2013-today -- Jane Tanner's abudctor remains on the front page of the Find Madeleine website, that is maintained indirectly by the McCann family.
August 2015 -- Smithman takes permanent position on the website -- but not on the front page.
April 2016 - 8 and a half years on from Tanner's sighting being ruled out by Scotland Yard ("We believe we have identified the man who was seen by Jane Tanner carrying a child at about 21.15 near the apartment G5A"), the image still remains on the front page.

Bewildering stuff.

« Last Edit: April 10, 2016, 04:57:50 PM by Gadfly1.3 »
--
On 12 May 2011 the Metropolitan Police Service (MPS) announced that, at the request of the Home Secretary, it had agreed to bring its particular expertise to the Madeleine McCann case.

The then Commissioner, Sir Paul Stephenson, considered the request and took the decision that on balance it was the right thing to do. This was subject to funding being made available by the Home Office, as this case is beyond the MPS's jurisdiction.  The Portuguese authorities retain the lead.

Offline jassi

Re: The Smithman e-fits - are the McCanns less than happy with them?
« Reply #404 on: April 10, 2016, 01:23:59 PM »
So to summarise a timeline.


October 2007 - Jane Tanner's e-fit of a man carrying a child released.
October 2013 -- Crimewatch airs.  Jane Tanner's abductor ruled out by SY, after six years of misunderstanding.  Smithman (below) identified for urgent tracking.
October 2013-today -- Jane Tanner's abudctor remains on the front page Find Madeleine website, that is maintained indirectly the McCann family.
August 2015 -- Smithman takes permanent position on the website -- but not on the front page.
April 2016 - 8 and a half years on from Tanner's sighting being ruled out by Scotland Yard ("We believe we have identified the man who was seen by Jane Tanner carrying a child at about 21.15 near the apartment G5A"), the image still remains on the front page.

Bewildering stuff.



Not just misunderstanding, but wasted time and effort by McCann private detectives concentrating on this sighting.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future